Mainstream Women's View of Islam

[Meteora]

Does it frustrate Sunni women to think that men decide their rulings (when it comes to things like dress code, what they should do in circumstances in their lives, how humble they should be/act, etc.) and regard them as their complete inferiors, and even have no problem with the hadiths that mention them in the same sentence as dogs and pigs (literally the lowest and dirtiest kind of creatures in the Arab-Muslim culture)?

They must be some really bad (read: naughty) girls deep down inside to be accepting of the above.

Anyway I opened to a random page of this one Arabic-to-English translation of a book containing rulings “pertaining to Muslim women” the other day at my house (I bet I know who bought it). Literally laughed by butt off.

-M

[Ikrame]

Peace,

I don t think that has to with being naughty. Imagine majority of people you have to deal with in your beliefsystem think the same about you as a woman on such a large scale, if anything it would make you insecure and especially for excepting it
A time ago I heard a women talking to another women who were both visiting, when should I go home, I don t know if my man wants to stay and she answers, pack your bags, if he wants to stay, you stay and if he wants to go, you go. And things like that I really don t understand because in a relationship it s about compromise and not only what your man wants your not gonna reach heaven because you do as he wishes but unfortunally sunnism is really ugly against women like hell the majority being filled with women because we are not gratefull towards our men.
Very manipulative.
I can only speak for my self offcourse and when in the past I was a sunni I defenitely felt uncomfortable.



 

[Student of Allah]

Shalom Aleikhom,


Ofcourse it frustrates them. However, sincere people don't want to be disobedient. Thus, the sincere ones accept it for the sake of Allah. Its our duty to reason with people. Anyways, it is nothing new, you dont need sunnis for that. Women are treated unfairly all across the globe. It is just that these sunnis/shias whatever you want to call them , takes the medal when it comes to oppression of women. The west is busy on its journey to the other extreme. Converting women to products. God, I hate the world.

Peace
----------- Student of Allah

[Sunnah-hero]

Does it frustrate Sunni women to think that men decide their rulings (when it comes to things like dress code, what they should do in circumstances in their lives, how humble they should be/act, etc.) and regard them as their complete inferiors, and even have no problem with the hadiths that mention them in the same sentence as dogs and pigs (literally the lowest and dirtiest kind of creatures in the Arab-Muslim culture)?

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because of what Allah has preferred one with over the other and because of what they spend to support them from their wealth.”

[Sūrah an-Nisā’32]

So Allah wants us to tell women how they should behave. There is nothing wrong with that why shall any woman dislike it? Men work all day long and when they come home THE LEAST thing women can do for them is to be obedient to him. If he dislikes a thing his sister, wife or mother does than they should stop doing it, otherwise Allah told us that such women who are not obedient to their mehrams are the worst of the creations and would be punished with the worse hell-fire.
The reason behind why our prophet sws stated that women are inferiors is out of wisdom and not out of discrimination. Women think with their feelings while men think with their brains. A woman talks before she thinks and a man think before he speaks. Thats how the nature of men and women are different. In that sense, men are wiser then women, thats a reality. So I cant imagine why our women would be frustrated, Quran and Sunnah always take the nature of humans into consideration regarding laws. Allah created women weaker physically and mentally compared to men.

[_Ala_]

Salam all,
First I have to admit I was a bit happy to see Sunna-Hero here  he is just so funny 

Anyways, when i was a teenager and didint know anything about Quran I heard this pigs and dogs hadeeth for the first time and I got really angry, I remember I was at my ounts house in Jordain and I asked her how could she say something like that about women, she said "but its is true! This is what hadeeth says, so that is true, and women are also minor in brain and religion!" I was speachless and couldent anderstand how she could accept this hadeeth but since it was hadeeth I was afraid to question so I tried to protest a bit but realized there is no way i could be right and hadeeth wrong so I kept silent.

Unfortunately brainwashing works. As Ikrame said if you are raised to think you are worth less, then you simply would live with that without problems. I think they all know its unfair but they dont dare complain, because 1- men wouldent bother listening. 2- they would be doomed for being bad muslims. But I have to admit these cases represent more Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, in secular or more open islamic countries you can find open anderstanding families as well of course. 

[_Ala_]

Salam again,
I have a question for you Meteora.
Why did you start this thread? I mean it can be some interesting stories to read, but do you want to find out someting speciall about how women are treated in Sunnism?

Peace!

[Student of Allah]

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because of what Allah has preferred one with over the other and because of what they spend to support them from their wealth.”

[Sūrah an-Nisā’32]

So Allah wants us to tell women how they should behave. There is nothing wrong with that why shall any woman dislike it? Men work all day long and when they come home THE LEAST thing women can do for them is to be obedient to him. If he dislikes a thing his sister, wife or mother does than they should stop doing it, otherwise Allah told us that such women who are not obedient to their mehrams are the worst of the creations and would be punished with the worse hell-fire.
The reason behind why our prophet sws stated that women are inferiors is out of wisdom and not out of discrimination. Women think with their feelings while men think with their brains. A woman talks before she thinks and a man think before he speaks. Thats how the nature of men and women are different. In that sense, men are wiser then women, thats a reality. So I cant imagine why our women would be frustrated, Quran and Sunnah always take the nature of humans into consideration regarding laws. Allah created women weaker physically and mentally compared to men.

Hmmm.... so... the nomination for the most womanly person goes to you

Here is some lesson for all. Do you know what is "breaking the horse" ? In the world of women trafficking and prostitution, this method is applied. To put it simply, you find some helpless women , transfer her to foreign land. Now, lock her up in a room and rape her continuously for months. Treat her worse than a dog. After doing this for like a year, you can successfully "break the horse". Now, she no longer has any sense of self respect or dignity or self-worth. You can now use her as a "loyal" prostitute who "fears" you and "obeys" all your command. 

Now lets look at the world. Women are discriminated everywhere including western world. Most of the women in the world are mistreated and seen as inferior and treated as such. Women are not allowed to engage in intellectual works. They are used for giving birth to babies and taking care of family only. When generations after generations this keeps on happening, many women (specially in non western countries) accept it as a norm. Congratulations !! You have successfully "broken the horse" .

Promoting "sunnah" of rasul by insulting him as much as you can ? Just so that you can incline towards things that they wrote with their own hands and claimed that it was from Allah ? Fear Allah, fear the retribution of a painful day.


Peace
---------- Student of Allah

[Indelwyn]

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because of what Allah has preferred one with over the other and because of what they spend to support them from their wealth.”

[Sūrah an-Nisā’32]

So Allah wants us to tell women how they should behave. There is nothing wrong with that why shall any woman dislike it? Men work all day long and when they come home THE LEAST thing women can do for them is to be obedient to him. If he dislikes a thing his sister, wife or mother does than they should stop doing it, otherwise Allah told us that such women who are not obedient to their mehrams are the worst of the creations and would be punished with the worse hell-fire.
The reason behind why our prophet sws stated that women are inferiors is out of wisdom and not out of discrimination. Women think with their feelings while men think with their brains. A woman talks before she thinks and a man think before he speaks. Thats how the nature of men and women are different. In that sense, men are wiser then women, thats a reality. So I cant imagine why our women would be frustrated, Quran and Sunnah always take the nature of humans into consideration regarding laws. Allah created women weaker physically and mentally compared to men.

Sweety, that is not the real world. I work all day, 8 hrs 5 days a week. I make more than my husband does in pay, I take care of the children, clean the house, manage the finances because he admits I handle them better than he does and still manage to cook a meal. But my husband being the most wonderful man, does the laundry and the dishes and even will change a diaper. He has even told people I know more about Islam and the Qur'an than he does. Not everything is black and white. The Quran states different than what you stated the Prophet said. Marriage is not a master/slave relationship. There are men that are like our Prophet and are the kindest to their wives.

Meteora, I can say when I became Muslim and was sunni, I felt very insecure as a woman.

[Sunnah-hero]

Sweety, that is not the real world. I work all day, 8 hrs 5 days a week. I make more than my husband does in pay, I take care of the children, clean the house, manage the finances because he admits I handle them better than he does and still manage to cook a meal. But my husband being the most wonderful man, does the laundry and the dishes and even will change a diaper. He has even told people I know more about Islam and the Qur'an than he does. Not everything is black and white. The Quran states different than what you stated the Prophet said. Marriage is not a master/slave relationship. There are men that are like our Prophet and are the kindest to their wives.

Meteora, I can say when I became Muslim and was sunni, I felt very insecure as a woman.

Why did u marry a man who is not able to provide your basic needs? Remember in islam, before marriage its the duty of the father and brother to provide food and clothing to the woman and after marriage its the  duty of the husband and the son to provide food and clothing to the woman so in islam a woman does not has to work. I would suggest you to ask a sheikh for divorce since your husband cannot give you food and clothing thus you are forced to work.

[Student of Allah]

Why did u marry a man who is not able to provide your basic needs? Remember in islam, before marriage its the duty of the father and brother to provide food and clothing to the woman and after marriage its the  duty of the husband and the son to provide food and clothing to the woman so in islam a woman does not has to work. I would suggest you to ask a sheikh for divorce since your husband cannot give you food and clothing thus you are forced to work.

Shalom Aleikhem,

You are misinterpreting traditional Islam. Even in hadith based Islam, its not necessary that a happily living couple be divorced because the wife earns more than the husband.

Peace
-------------  Student of Allah