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How to deal with arrogant atheists.

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JLM:
I generally don't engage with atheists much anymore. From my experience, they're stubborn. Much of my family is atheist so I know this very well, lol. I think they treat science almost as religious dogma in a way, putting absolute faith in it while science hasn't even yet managed to answer everything and probably never will(I read an interesting article once that basically explains how science does an excellent job of addressing the how, but little about the why). Lastly, I think that would be a pretty empty life to live, believing in only the purely physical.

So yea, as the Qur'an says, there's some people who have a seal over their hearts and probably will never understand Allah and what he expects from us. There has been atheists who have found God so to speak, but they're small in numbers. 

NOMAD:
JLM Salaam :)

 Beautiful answer, i feel the same also... Modern society taking Science as the ultimate Faith..but it lacks in many aspects as you pointed: "the Qur'an says, there's some people who have a seal over their hearts and probably will never understand Allah and what he expects from us."

i have to add that: after reading and making connection to Allah.. can you forget and return back to Physichal pleasure life you had before? surly im wont:D with Allahs will :sun: for me is the best lagacy i can give to my children, and the best spiritual conector between all members of a family, society, for mankind to live peacfull side by side with nature, in submission to creator.   :sun:

PAZ/Peace

noshirk:
@NOMAD and and @JLM

I m not agree. Whe have to discuss with atheists. It's a religious Duty
However, we have to know that only a few of them can accept the truth.

Atheists believe in a false god called universe. Science (proven facts) is not the problem since it is also "ayats" of GOD. The first problem is the hadiths of science (unproven theories, lies... ) that get them away from truth. The second problem is the hadiths in religion (lies in all religions about god) that are logically innacceptable and let religious seems ridiculous.

Both problems are "work of satan". It's duty of a muslim to find arguments against them.

Peace.

Andantino:

--- Quote from: noshirk on January 20, 2012, 12:20:41 AM ---@NOMAD and and @JLM

I m not agree. Whe have to discuss with atheists. It's a religious Duty
However, we have to know that only a few of them can accept the truth.

Atheists believe in a false god called universe. Science (proven facts) is not the problem since it is also "ayats" of GOD. The first problem is the hadiths of science (unproven theories, lies... ) that get them away from truth. The second problem is the hadiths in religion (lies in all religions about god) that are logically innacceptable and let religious seems ridiculous.

Both problems are "work of satan". It's duty of a muslim to find arguments against them.

Peace.

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i'm afraid we can't make a mutual understanding since they definition of God are TOTALLY different with Believers (Creationist)

Paradox Uncreated:

--- Quote from: noshirk on January 18, 2012, 07:44:57 AM ---@Paradox Uncreated
(sorry for my english again)
I'll give you a fun idea
In Quran, God speak about nature phenomenons using the words "ayats" (wich means proofs) but also verses of the coran.
So we can say then science is someway a second Coran that muslim have to "read" and understand in the same way that the first.

An astrophysician said, when asked if he was an atheist. "Atheist Knows!"
In fact, Atheists believe in a God called Universe or GOD-Nature or white noise. They are convinced of that. "They Knows!"

It is of course a false GOD. Like All false GODS, il will die and vanish.
Atheist's GOD is mortal.
(Science and Coran are agree on that).

Science had never showns that GOD doesn't exists.
However, atheist, who are hadithists of the second coran, are sure that it is so.
Like the other Hadithists, they are big liars and they claim to possess the truth.

Peace

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Yes, its a false God. Actually I talked to atheists a lot on youtube lately. And all their claims of this or that is simply covering up their disbelief.
They ask for logic, I show them logic (cosm. argumet / prime mover), they either don`t understand or change the subject.
They ask for proof, and reject God since there is no proof, and I show them meditation techniques to get closer to God, and they reject it. And I say, you should reject atheism since there is no proof, and many then continue on to say that you don`t need proof for atheism!! lol. Inchoerent idiocy.
And then we have atheists who cannot see the difference between an eternal first cause (the void), and idols. And argue they are the same, with is feeble idiocy. Arguing for idols and arguing for a first cause, is ofcourse totally different. The atheist will not accept all the work done from monotheistic people, and establishing modern society, on just law, without idols. He usually goes on about science and how good that is. And puts up pictures of Osama, as that is some spokesperson on Islam. It`s like I should use Lenin for atheists. Ofcourse a true monotheist does not manipulate facts like that. And some argue that God is a unicorn, and infact one horned animals exist. And then he goes on to say, but it`s like santa claus, and I tell him santa claus is a siberian shaman. And so he looks really ignorant at the end of the day. In fact his claims of superior intelligence is no more than sectarian brainwash, that they all go on claiming, but no-one shows. Infacts atheist is full of idolaterous stories, life coming from dead objects, and universe from chaotic processes. RANDOMNESS is inocherence, is non-intelligence, is satan. Still atheists claim to reject idolatry, but make up own idolaterous stories like "I stepped out of a supernova", to explain his origin. While other scientists are sons of puddle of chemicals. LOL. No they seem like disturbed people. And people like dawkins are 70 years old, and never known a creator. What a waste of life. And younger ones like AmazingAtheist (youtube) is mostly a shout and hate fest. And I think that is why we all hate atheists, arrogant claims of superior intellect, when it is the feeblest of idiocy. So it is no other than provocative, and harassing statements. And in that I can completely understand the deathpenalty on atheists and gays, in Iran. And seriously there is no such thing as "morality of the decade". And you cannot make up your own meaning and morality, like many atheists claim. Either it is meaning or morality, or not. Conservative politics have always been the same, and if you don`t know that, you are living under a rock.

Atheists in many ways adore the finite universe, scientists, objects, which they often assign infinity to or power.
Believers just go one level higher, and adore the eternal. The only infinity, and the eternal truths, laws, and the creator of the world, and the system, which sustains the universe, the scientists, and everything in it, and is a perfect system.

Peace.

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