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difference between rasoel and nabi
Bender:
--- Quote from: noshirk on January 27, 2012, 01:01:47 PM ---salam bender
i already apologized before i had written my messages because english is only my third langage. So i can understand that i can't be well understood.
However i feel i am making progress (i am used to read technical english but have some difficulties and use frequently dictionnary).
I recall that I express my own opinion even if it seems that I am arrogant and too much sure of myself (it's a google traduction)
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Salaam noshirk,
No need to apologize brother, I only said that I didn’t understood. My English is even worse then yours.
--- Quote ---6:61 (and i can add also 11-69) are not human messengers and i don't know how it works then.
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I know 6:61 is not about humans. I only showed this verse, because I want to get the best definition for the word rasoel in the most general concept.
Thus saying for example: Rasoel = a human who is send by Allah and brings a book
Is not a good definition, as there are rasoels who are not human and there are rasoels who did not bring a book and there are rasoels who where not send by Allah. I want to seach for a definition that applies for all verses in The Quran, not only some specific cases.
BTW are you sure 11:69 are not human?
--- Quote ---concerning 12:50, the response is in 12:45 which has the merit of using both words "ounabbi" et "Arsiloun". The messenger of the king said i will inform you (ounabbi) if you send me (Arsiloun) asking youssef "What is the interpretation of the dream".
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You said earlier:
Rassool=Rissala=message from GOD
I only wanted to show that a rasoel is not always sent by Allah.
--- Quote ---i can accept, however with some difficulties, your interpretation "“someone who is send with a specific task” but with adding " with no right to change absolutely nothing to the task specified by the sender".
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:D I am not looking for a definition on how you want it to be, but a definition from The Quran.
Please note that I am searching for a general definition. I believe if we have this general definition then we can understand things better and we can search for the specific cases.
like:
rasoel (without AL)
Al-rasoel (with AL)
rusul (plural without AL)
Al-rusulu (plural wirh AL)
human rasoels
non-human rasoels
Rasullu Allah
Mursaleen
etc.
--- Quote ---Rassool of GOD never fails. never do mistakes. impossible. It would be failure or mistake of the sender, that is GOD.
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never fails in what? and never do mistakes in what?
--- Quote ---When he retrogrades to nabi. it becomes possible again.
i have to verify but i think that yahia and solomon were only nabi. They had no messages to deliver and acted according to knowledge received and old scriptures.
i mean that but there is no difference since Muhammad has both statutes. It is why it seems difficult to distinguish when he is rassol and when he is nabi.
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please rememeber the thread is not about Muhammed or some other rasoel or nabi but rasoels and nabi's in general
--- Quote ---When a human Rassool is not delivering the message, he retrograde to a simple nabi, a simple man who has divine knowledge but acts in his proper name.
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can you prove or make this plausible with a verse(s) from The Quran
--- Quote ---2:259 (thumma ba3athahu ): resend life in him ?
5:31 (Faba3atha Allahu ghuraban ) it is a sending that is not a message. What 's the problem ?
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yes I know it is not a message but it was a task
--- Quote ---note also 2:213 where GOD ba3tha el nabbiyeena (and also :confused:) send down the book.
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I believe that is an important difference between rasoel and nabi. you will never find "arsala al-nabbiyeena" and also never find "ba3tha al-russulu".
please check also 5:12
I don't know what the exact meaning is of ba3atha but I think it has nothing to do with "sending".
--- Quote ---Who is the sender ?
You will be your own messenger and a false messenger of GOD.
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can you tell me in the next verses who the one is who has to say this:
17:111 And say: Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And glorify Him greatly.
3:32 Say: Obey God and the messenger. But if they turn away, then God does not love the rejecters.
6:19 Say: "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say: "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say: "I do not bear witness!" Say: "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"
Is it in all verses Mohammed? Is it in all verses some other rasoel or nabi (thus not Mohammed)? Is it in all verses the reader? Is it in some verse ONLY Mohammed AND in some Mohammed and the reader AND in some ONLY the reader (not Mohammed)? Or maybe you have some other explanation.
Please let me know how you think about it.
Salaam and may Allah increase us in our knowledge,
Bender
Sidi:
Salamun Alaikum
AQ-57:26
And certainly WE sent Nuh and Ibrahim and WE placed in their DECENDENTS Prophethoods (Nubuwwa) and Book ["Al-Kitab"] and amoung them is he who is guided but many of them are defiantly disobedient.
The above verse tell us
Rasulan Nabiy [messenger-prophet] were Messengers who were direct decendents of Nuh or Ibrahim.
Rasul [Messenger] were those who were not decended from Nuh or Ibrahim. They were Hud, Saleh and Shuaib.
AQ-02:285, SAYS THAT..... THERE WILL BE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ANY OF THESE MESSENGERS
As far as Book "Al-Kitab" [mentioned in 06:89], lets check 03:81
And when ALLAH took covenant of The Prophets, "Whatever I gave you of the Book [Al-Kitab] and Authority and has come to you a messenger CONFIRMING THAT WHICH IS WITH YOU, you must believe him and you must help him. HE said, Do you affirm and take on that of MY covenant?" They said, "We affirm." HE said, "Then bear witness and I am with you amoung the witness."
Who were these Prophets that had a covenant with ALLAH? Let The Quran answer this question.
AQ-33:07
And when WE took from The Prophets their covenant and from you and from Nuh and Ibrahim and Musa and Isa son of Maryam. And WE took from them a STRONG COVENANT.
This verse tell us that ALLAH had taken a strong covenant with 18 of the Prophets mentioned in 06:83-86 thru "The Al-Kitab" and with the last prophet, Prophet Muhammad thru The Al-Quran.
And the covenant is with regards to a messenger that came/will come to confirmed "The Al-kitab" after the ministry of each prophets and for the case of the last prophet, The Quran.
Salam / Peace
youssef4342:
Peace be upon you as well you guys!
Here is a site:
http://quransmessage.com/articles/end%20of%20prophethood%20FM3.htm
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