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Free Minds' Consensus on Hajj
Layth:
Salam M,
--- Quote ---Thanks, Layth, for your message two posts after mine, but I am still wondering as to why salat in the Monotheist translation (on Free Minds' home page) is defined as contact prayer, when before it was the bond. I thought contact prayer was only in the submitters' translation on submission.org. Are they the same as the Monotheist Group?
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Salat has been a very tricky word to translate. You are correct, "Bond" was used at one point in time, but that was scrapped as the word did not make sence in some of the contexts - plus the word on its own did not convey the multi-dimension of Salat. I even gave up alltogether at one time and simply plugged in "Salat" in its Arabic form and said let the reader work it out! The choice of "Contact Prayer" was taken as having a better feel in most of the contexts and is, as you mentioned, coined by the Dr. Khalifa in his translation.
I have been thinking of "Recital" as an alternative which captures the spirit of the word in its many contexts - perhaps a poll can be run to get the feedback from the brothers and sisters on this forum as to the best fitting word.
youssef4342:
Peace everyone :peace: :group:
About Salat/Contact Prayer, i thnk i might have tjought about this disambiguation between "Contact Prayer" and Rashad khalifa's Translation. Nevertheless, when one ponders about the nature of Salat, and it's purpose (to remember God Almighty 20:14), "Contact Prayer" seems to be a well definition, because The root of the word SALAT, means ~ to be in "Contact". (e.g the Disbelievers are in Contact with the Hell fire (Yisalonha) (14:29).
Even in modern Arabic today, the verb to "Call" is to "Yatasil", or to be in contact.
Kaiokenred:
--- Quote from: youssef4342 on December 16, 2011, 12:23:56 PM ---Peace everyone :peace: :group:
About Salat/Contact Prayer, i thnk i might have tjought about this disambiguation between "Contact Prayer" and Rashad khalifa's Translation. Nevertheless, when one ponders about the nature of Salat, and it's purpose (to remember God Almighty 20:14), "Contact Prayer" seems to be a well definition, because The root of the word SALAT, means ~ to be in "Contact". (e.g the Disbelievers are in Contact with the Hell fire (Yisalonha) (14:29).
Even in modern Arabic today, the verb to "Call" is to "Yatasil", or to be in contact.
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Allah manifests you from the inside-out, who are you contacting?
Paradox Uncreated:
Free-minds are still learning. Atleast they don`t claim jinn are "emotions" still, like they did in the beginning. Anyone see Equillibrium? A nasty scenario. Layth still thinks alcohol is legal.
etc. etc.
FM isn`t really that much different, or more right than many sects.
Prince:
--- Quote from: Paradox Uncreated on December 16, 2011, 08:39:47 PM ---Free-minds are still learning. Atleast they don`t claim jinn are "emotions" still, like they did in the beginning. Anyone see Equillibrium? A nasty scenario. Layth still thinks alcohol is legal.
etc. etc.
FM isn`t really that much different, or more right than many sects.
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Your post is misleading. FM is not a sect but a forum for people to discuss and interpret quran.
Whatever Layth believes is his belief and interpretation.
The Quran does not endorse or state that everyone will or should have the same opinion. Our purpose in life is to distinguise truth from falsehood and you will not find one sect right in the absolute sense so to say FM isn't really that much different from other sects to me implies you are seeking a sect that will give you the truth. Good luck with it because i can assure you that you won't find one.
PEACE
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