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Meteora:
Just wondering what Free Minds (or the Monotheist Group) agree for the most part what "hajj" really is. I see that they define it as "Pilgrimage" as this forum's name is, but pilgrimage to where? How similar/different is their view of Hajj compared to the mainstream Sunni version?

Peace,

-M

Student of Allah:
Shalom,

My current understanding is that its a journey to the Sacred Temple. The reason may be to reinforce the economy of the place where the Temple is. And ofcourse, a gathering of believers from all over the world. And I confess that I did not do much research to state any of it BOLDLY. Because there are far more important things to focus on at this point in my life.

Lets see what others think about it.

PEACE
---------------- Student of Allah

Layth:
Salam,

I see it as a physical journey to the Restricted Temple in Bacca to than God - over a limited number of days - for the blessings of the livestock He has bestowed upon us. A secondary objective is to meet and debate with people to share ideas and the blessings of God alone.

The difference between the Pilgrimage and the Sunni/Shia one is emmence:

1. They pilgrim to the wrong place;
2. Their pilgrimage is full of pagan acts (circling the kaaba, kissing the stone, etc.).
3. Their pilgrimage is only open for Muslims - whereas the call of Abraham was for all mankind;
4. The timing of the pilgrimage is off as they perform it a few days after the cresent moon - whereas the Quran says it begins with the cresent moon - as is the month(s) completely off;
5. Their is no debating or speakers at their pilgrimage - which goes against the meaning of the word;
6. They impose specific dress codes not sanctioned by God.

I am sure there are a few more - but this is what came to the top of my mind.

Kaiokenred:
"Hajj is about the communities of the Muslim world connecting, (this would be assuming the communities were in existence of course) establishing joint projects, group community decisions, exchanging ideas, understandings, trade and brotherhood. But today no Islamic communities exist, the ignorance of the Christianised Muslims is so great they have allowed the usurious parasites to control their money, governments, education, media, militaries and manufacture religions, as they are fractured into sects, burdened with dogma, ritual and superstitions, they refuse to use their reason, and ignore the truth of Islam, in preference to the religion of Muslimism, based on Hadith and tradition."

Meteora:

--- Quote from: Kaiokenred on December 14, 2011, 10:03:34 AM ---"Hajj is about the communities of the Muslim world connecting, (this would be assuming the communities were in existence of course) establishing joint projects, group community decisions, exchanging ideas, understandings, trade and brotherhood. But today no Islamic communities exist, the ignorance of the Christianised Muslims is so great they have allowed the usurious parasites to control their money, governments, education, media, militaries and manufacture religions, as they are fractured into sects, burdened with dogma, ritual and superstitions, they refuse to use their reason, and ignore the truth of Islam, in preference to the religion of Muslimism, based on Hadith and tradition."

--- End quote ---

Ouch, and how true.

Thanks, Layth, for your message two posts after mine, but I am still wondering as to why salat in the Monotheist translation (on Free Minds' home page) is defined as contact prayer, when before it was the bond. I thought contact prayer was only in the submitters' translation on submission.org. Are they the same as the Monotheist Group?

Peace,

-M

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