Road of the Patriarch

[huruf]

As a person who has been earning her bread very long years from translation, I can understand you and I never grudge compliments to translations of the Qur'an, because it does take courage and dedication to a maximum degree and even with the purest aim and intention, it may leave to be desired, which may be is intended: that will keep us on our toes and prevent us from stopping at the first seemingly satisfactory solution. Being an ever fruitful text, it should always bring something of itself that we didn't have or expect and which will for other insights, alhamdulillah.

But every honest translation deserves respect and love. So ”courage, Pazuzu! it will not be perfect, but in sha' Allah, will be very good and fruitful.

Salaam

[Zulf]

Dear Pazuzu,

We all struggle in life. Insights, understanding and wisdom never comes without work or effort. We are all on our own individual paths of improvement... and I know this is indeed something difficult, painful and strenuous... I know this from my own life. But it is worth it many times over.

Sometimes we must wait for ourselves to grow and mature a bit further before Allah blesses us with more understanding. It's a process. And I believe that Allah says we should not haste in this business.

Also, the quran contains so many layers or levels of understanding that one will never come to a final optimal conclusion of its meaning. But perfection is not the goal... or purpose. The book is a guide, and we will read from it what we are capable of understanding... which is different for different people... this is like a natural law.
The important thing is instead to evolve and improve and better our understanding. As long as our understanding gets better... in this case the understanding of the quran and how best to render it in other languages..... then we are doing fine. A less bad translation is better than a worse translation. We may see translations as a report and sharing of the translators current understanding, with the purpose to help others in expanding their understanding and making more sense out of things that previously have been associated with lots of insane ideas.

May Allah bless you with more knowledge, insights, understanding and lots of joy, peace, excitement and success in your honorable work of understanding the quran and clearing our misunderstandings that are so widespread and indoctrinated in the world.

All the best,
peace

[theNabster]

Peace Zulf,
your nice and wise words are well deserved by the recipient

[theNabster]

If it bothers you, don't use it.  You can call me Rudolph if you wish 

and I sometimes find myself frozen for many days on the same page, trying to find English words that convey the same meaning.

It will be a long and arduous task.

Peace...

maybe calling you rudolph will unfreeze you.. 

but as I do not know how you look or talk like, the two threads moustache, and the fiery language

otherwise...

just do it, write it, and make versions that you amend as you go along... only Allah is perfect...
the reward will be your effort, and the purity of your intentions...

I want to add a weird thought that has been following me (maybe the devil is planting it, or maybe it is worthy of consideration)...:

The Quran does not speak of Jews, but of Yahud, and yahud are those who hadu, meaning those who got guided or accepted guidance... and these are most probably Saul, Daoud and Sulaiman folks...

as for Jews, there is an interesting phonetic play in the words of Gog and Magog, the fact is in Arabic it pronounces jewjz wa ma jewjz...

Could it be a cryptic prophecy (referring to an event that already happened in the time of Dhul Qarnain, but bound to repeat itself as the shield he built was temporary), about those who decided to call themselves jews who then got reinforced by majews (ie non jews - the khazars)... just a wild guess... incidentally from someone who has in his lineage jewish blood (the Tribe of Kaheena Dahia, she is one of my family ancestors... but I do have also some up to 50% arabic blood + a half turkish grandmother - nice mixture)

[Alkitab الكتاب]

Salam Member pazazu ,

i shake your hand  for this great work very inspiring , a very good research / information , and all the other posts about the land of the book and its people .

waiting for your e-book and other research inchallah.

my respect.

[johan]

Salam All,

As usual I haven't read all of the posts, so please bear with me..
But could there be a lapse in memory of human history especially about the dates (the number of years that humans have lived) so much so that they had forgotten their origins?
When the myths talked about the buroq, couldn't it had meant about an "alien like" ship?

Has anybody made an effort on putting the Ancient Astronaut History Channel series of theories into the equations?

Salam,
Johan

[savage_carrot]

Has anybody made an effort on putting the Ancient Astronaut History Channel series of theories into the equations?

Not sure if serious.

[johan]

Not sure if serious.

how's that?
have you watched the series?
it's quite an eye opener..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sha56wFTvng
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllmH-Ab5VA

After all, why can't we be the aliens?
Aren't we from the heavens as Adam AS was?

7:19-25
وَيَا آدَمُ اسْكُنْ أَنتَ وَزَوْجُكَ الْجَنَّةَ فَكُلَا مِنْ حَيْثُ شِئْتُمَا وَلَا تَقْرَ‌بَا هَـٰذِهِ الشَّجَرَ‌ةَ فَتَكُونَا مِنَ الظَّالِمِينَ ﴿١٩﴾ فَوَسْوَسَ لَهُمَا الشَّيْطَانُ لِيُبْدِيَ لَهُمَا مَا وُورِ‌يَ عَنْهُمَا مِن سَوْآتِهِمَا وَقَالَ مَا نَهَاكُمَا رَ‌بُّكُمَا عَنْ هَـٰذِهِ الشَّجَرَ‌ةِ إِلَّا أَن تَكُونَا مَلَكَيْنِ أَوْ تَكُونَا مِنَ الْخَالِدِينَ ﴿٢٠﴾ وَقَاسَمَهُمَا إِنِّي لَكُمَا لَمِنَ النَّاصِحِينَ ﴿٢١﴾ فَدَلَّاهُمَا بِغُرُ‌ورٍ‌ ۚ فَلَمَّا ذَاقَا الشَّجَرَ‌ةَ بَدَتْ لَهُمَا سَوْآتُهُمَا وَطَفِقَا يَخْصِفَانِ عَلَيْهِمَا مِن وَرَ‌قِ الْجَنَّةِ ۖ وَنَادَاهُمَا رَ‌بُّهُمَا أَلَمْ أَنْهَكُمَا عَن تِلْكُمَا الشَّجَرَ‌ةِ وَأَقُل لَّكُمَا إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ لَكُمَا عَدُوٌّ مُّبِينٌ ﴿٢٢﴾
قَالَا رَ‌بَّنَا ظَلَمْنَا أَنفُسَنَا وَإِن لَّمْ تَغْفِرْ‌ لَنَا وَتَرْ‌حَمْنَا لَنَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِ‌ينَ ﴿٢٣﴾
قَالَ اهْبِطُوا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ ۖ وَلَكُمْ فِي الْأَرْ‌ضِ مُسْتَقَرٌّ‌ وَمَتَاعٌ إِلَىٰ حِينٍ ﴿٢٤﴾ قَالَ فِيهَا تَحْيَوْنَ وَفِيهَا تَمُوتُونَ وَمِنْهَا تُخْرَ‌جُونَ ﴿٢٥﴾
And "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Jannah/heavens/paradise and eat from wherever you will but do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers." (19) But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal." (20) And he swore [by Allah] to them, "Indeed, I am to you from among the sincere advisors." (21) So he made them fall, through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And their Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy?" (22) They said, "Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers." (23) [Allah] said, "Descend, being to one another enemies. And for you on the earth is a place of settlement and enjoyment for a time." He said, "Therein you will live, and therein you will die, and from it you will be brought forth." (25)

So earth is a lower level then heaven as a descending act is required to come to earth from heaven.

Next question would be, where is heaven?
Could it be in the Orion belt? or could it be in another dimension/vibration state?

Wallahua3lam,

[savage_carrot]

Yes, especially this.

Why call us aliens then? By this point we're pretty damn naturalised.

Does it matter where heaven is? It's not as if we're going to get there in our lifetime.

[Pazuzu]

Salam...

I believe in the existance of Malai'ka, which are divine agents / forces appointed by the Creator to serve certain functions (causing earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, carrying messages of Allah, taking souls upon death, etc...). I also believe that these malai'ka can take  human form (as per the strange-looking guests of Abraham).

Also, these malai'ka are probably the reason why there is the pronoun "we" in the Quran. And if we read the verses carefully, we can note that Allah CANNOT possibly be the one speaking, but rather it was them...the malai'ka of revelation. Here is one of the most obvious examples of this Quranic phenomenon:

{And we are not sent except by the authority of your Rabb. To Him are our present and our future, and all that is in-between. And your Rabb was never to forget * The Rabb of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?}...[19:64]

Who is the one speaking here? I think it's obvious who this "we" is. Allah would never say "YOUR Rabb" (in the 3rd person perspective) when addressing Muhammad.

My 2 cents...

Anyway, since we mentioned the "guests" of Abraham, I was having a comical discussion with a Sunni about 10 days ago, and towards the end, I asked him about the following verses:

{And his wife was standing, so she laughed when We gave her the good news of Ishac, and after Ishac, Yaqoub * She said: "O my! Shall I give birth when I am an old woman, and here is my husband an old man? This is indeed a strange thing!" * They said: "Do you wonder at the decree of Allah? The mercy of Allah and blessings are upon you O People of the Sanctuary. He is Praiseworthy, Glorious."}...[11:71-73]

Q: Who is the wife who was given tidings that she would bear Isaac?
A: Sarah.
Q: Where did Sarah live?
A: In Palestine
Q: Really? If she was in Palestine, then why did the malai'ka salute her and her husband as "People of the Sanctuary"?  Which "Sanctuary" is being mentioned here?

His face turned purple, and he stormed out of the room, and I haven't seen or heard from him since then.

The story of seperating Ibraheem's family into 2 branches, one in Palestine (Sarah and her son Ishac) and one in Makkah (Hagar and her son Ismaeel) and having Ibraheem travel back and forth between the two on the back of a winged horse, is the most spectacular evidence of forgery in the Muslim creed.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence of this division in the Quran. Why would Ibraheem, who was made an imam (guide) for the people of his time, and who dedicated his life to serving the Sanctuary which he cleansed of idols, travel back to Palestine to die and be burried there?  What is the purpose? Didn't the Patriarch, in his supplications to Allah, say:

{And Ibraheem said: "My Rabb, make this a peaceful land, and keep me and my sons away from serving idols}...[14:35]

Was this prayer intended only for Ismaeel's progeny? What about Ishac? Isn't he also an inhabitant of that land? or was he in Palestine?

Didn't Abraham, after having cleansed that valley of idols, and become a beacon for the people of his age, who would flock to him during the Hajj seasons, thank Allah by saying:

{Praise be to Allah, who has granted me in my old age Ismaeel and Ishac; my Rabb is Hearer of the prayer}...[14:39]

So where were his sons then?

I defy any Sunni or Shiite on this planet to give me a logical answer to these questions.


As for the e-books, I expect the first one to be completed during Ramadan of this year.


Peace and blessings to all...