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"Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« on: November 14, 2011, 01:13:19 PM »
Good day to all.

The following thread will not be as long as the other two. I will make no more than 3 posts here. I urge you to read this, because it is like a bridge which connects the two other threads.

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1) "Hebrew" - The Big Lie.

One of the greatest LIES that has been passed onto the world (except for a very tiny minority who are aware of the truth but afraid or reluctant to come out with it) is that Judaism is a racial nationality.  This claim is not only an insult to human intelligence, but an insult to history as well. How can Jews be a "race", when every evidence shows that there are African Jews (from Ethiopia), Russian Jews, German Jews, Yemeni Jews, even Persian Jews. How can this be? The truth of the matter is that Judaism is a CREED – a religious belief system, no different than Christianity, Buddhism or Hinduism. By the same logic, we see Arab Christians, European Christians, Ethiopians Christian, and even Chinese Christians. Has anyone ever claimed that Christianity is a race?

In order for the Zionist movement to hijack the history of the region and plant their illegal Jewish state in Palestine, it was necessary to create all the elements required for a “racial nationality”. And one of those elements is LANGUAGE.

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“Language IS the nation. And the nation IS the language. And there is no life for the nation without a language”.


That  was the famous quote of Eliezar bin Yehuda, the man who is credited as the “reviver” of the so-called “Hebrew” language (when the truth – as we shall soon see - is that he CREATED the language from scratch). Bin Yehuda understood, since the beginning of the Zionist project, the importance and necessity of this matter for the continuity of the Jewish “nationality”. In fact there were many common means used by both the Nazis of Germany and the Zionist movement to achieve their goals. And one of those means was: "Lie and lie and lie and keep on lying, until eventually, the people will believe you" The Zionists kept on claiming, since the beginning of their imperial project, that there was once, a long, long time ago, a divine language called “Hebrew”, and that it was the language of God’s Chosen People, which was then lost or became “dormant”, when the “Hebrews” were scattered and exiled from their alleged “Promised Land”

David Ben Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel, once said:

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“The Hebrew language died out, because it hasn’t been a spoken language for over 2000 years”.


This statement, and many others along its line, were used to explain why this “language” is mysteriously not found in any ancient dictionary or glossary, and is not mentioned in any historic document the world has ever known.

The facts that you are about to read will shock you, brothers and sisters.  The glaring truth is that there was never any language in this entire region but the Mother Tongue,  and the various dialects that branched from it: Aramaic, Syriac, Old Yemeni, Kananite, Amorite, Phoenician, etc…

Encyclopedia Britannica states that:

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“The original authors of the Old Testament are unknown; furthermore, it is not certain whether those who compiled it were individuals or groups. The Old Testament was originally recorded almost exclusively in Hebrew, with the exception of very few passages which were recorded in Aramaic. The first Jewish community eventually translated the entire text of the Torah (the Five Books) to Aramaic”.

Isn’t it strange that it has never occurred to anyone to ask the following questions:

1- Why was it translated into Aramaic?
2- Who was this “first” Jewish group or community responsible for its translation?
3- If the language had been dead for 2000 years, how did it suddenly “pop up”, alive and well, in Palestine, in the 20th Century, and in coincidence with the occasion of the return to the alleged “Promised Land”?

Did this “Hebrew” language even exist in the first place?

An article written by Professor G.A.Driver, who taught modern Hebrew at the university of Oxford, UK,  stated:

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“the Term ‘Hebrew’ is actually a creation by the Jewish Rabbis in Palestine, which came at a much later time. This is proven by the fact that the word was not known or used to refer to the Jews in Russia, until after the 15th Century”

(Source: Waleed al Khalidi “From Crying Over the Ruins to the Control of The Arab World” – Al Hayat: 29/08/1997 – www.daralhayat.com)

The Zionist movement commissioned prominent Russian literary figure Eliezar bin Yehuda, who was among the first immigrants to Palestine, to write a linguistic glossary of the ancient Aramaic language, fused with the Yiddish dialect of the German Jews. Ben Yehuda wrote the entire framework for this new language, and sought to spread it and plant it in the new Jewish community in Palestine.

The giant French scholar and thinker Pierre Rossi – in his outstanding book : “The City of Isis – the True History of the Arabs says” (pages 28,29), says:

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“Modern Hebrew is an invention of the Russian Eliazar, who published a literary and linguistic glossary in the period from 1910 until 1922, as was required by the global Zionist movement, and proposed it as a kind of “Esperanto” for the Jews all over the world, who been promised a new home in Palestine. It was nothing but a political tool”


A political tool. In other words, A LIE CREATED FOR POLITICAL MANIPULATION.

The invention of the modern Hebrew language was a very crucial condition for the success of the colonial Zionist movement. This language, of whom there is not a SINGLE mention in any document, text, or archeological trace, in the entire literary history of the ancient world, suddenly became a living reality!

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“No mention of it (Hebrew) is found in any of the thousands  of  cuniform, and  hieroglyphic texts….nor even in any ancient Aramaic document was ever a single reference to a Hebrew language”

(page 25: Rossi).

Bin Eliazar called for making “Hebrew” the language of the age for the new Jewish settlers, to be spoken by the youngsters in their homes, in their schools, and on the streets. The goal of all of this was to eventually create, artificially, all the elements needed for a new “racial nationality”:

1-  Annex the land.
2- Hijack the entire history of the region.
3- Project the geography of the Old Testament events onto others' lands.
4- Invent the language.

In his excellent study entitled “Zionist Racism and the Philosophy of Jewish Upbringing” Professor Abdulqader Fares says:

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“…and so Hebrew became the official language; so much so, that the elderly generation, who immigrated to Palestine, were forced to learn it from their children! This is because the fathers who had migrated from their original homelands in Europe, had never heard of such a language, so they were forced to learned it from the younger generations”.

Now you tell me: Are all these scholars delusional? Or is it the "sheeple" of the world who have been victims of these delusions?

The fact is that the term “Hebrew” was never known by the Jewish communities living in the various countries of the world, until the 1920’s, when the Zionist project began taking shape.

I will show you now, brothers and sisters, glaring proof that what we have always thought were independent Semitic languages, are in fact nothing but various dialects of one original tongue. And this truth has been declared time and time again by modern  anthropologists and linguists, among them: William Wright, Edward Dorm, Sabatino Moscati, Kamal Salibi, Pierre Rossi, and many others, all of whom have proved that these dialects did indeed have one common origin: The Mother Tongue.  (Think of it as somewhat like the relationship between French, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian one hand, and Latin on the other).

And recent archeological discoveries in Arabia - despite their scarcity - have proved them right.

These scientists conducted extensive research on the Semitic dialects, and found staggering similarities between them, notably: The presence of three-letter verb roots for the words, the presence of two tenses (past and present) for those verbs, and very similar conjugation structures between them. In all these dialects, there are glaring similarities among the pronouns, words that indicate sibling relationships, body parts, numbers, natural phenomena, you name it…

These scientists, who were not afraid to come out with the truth, have realized that the original community from which sprang all Semitic people spoke a language that was very similar to the "Arabic" of the Quran. In this regard, Muskati says:

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“In light of all the information that we, as anthropologists have been able to gather, there is now undeniable evidence which indicates that Arabia was the point of origin for all Semitic migrations"

This shattering truth, dear reader, requires that we reconsider all that we have ever known about the so-called “Semitic Languages”, and how they spread in the region. The traditional experts have always divided the Semitic languages into Northern (Aramaic, Syriac, Phoenician), and Southern (Arabic, Old Yemeni, Ethiopian).

However, archeological discoveries during the last Century have turned this classification upside down. Ancient Arabic scriptures were found as far north as Jordan, while Aramaic and Syriac writings dating as far back as the 4th Century BC were unearthed in Yemen!

In one excellent article written by member Ayman, way back in 2006, he talked about what was known as the "Language Barrier", and the reality of Aramaic and Arabic and the place they occupied in the culture of the Nabateans.

Here is a reminder about this important issue:

An article presented by the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey, mentioned that the Nabateans (the people of ancient Jordan, whose capital was Petra) spoke two languages: Aramaic and Arabic. The first was the formal language used for religious, political and legal writings (treaties with other kingdoms, royal decrees, etc…). Whereas the second, Arabic, was the “common people’s” language, used in the everyday life of the ordinary man. The domain of Arabic in Nabatea was restricted to poetry, love stories, tales of their desert travels and ordeals, and folk legends or traditions.

Please check out the following link:  http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/avdat.html

Brother Ayman, however, told us only one half of the truth: The presence of Arabic as far north as Jordan, in the pre-Christian times. What he did NOT tell us about was the dozens of Aramaic texts dating as far back as the 4th Century BC, which were unearthed as far south as Yemen!


The photo below shows one of many such inscriptions. It is an incense  burner with Aramaic scribbling on it, unearthed near Najran in the early 1990’s.  It dates back to the 1st Century B.C, and is on display at the Saudi National Museum.


The script reads: “This burner is a gift from Naja bin Arshan bin Nahel, from him and his family, as a token of gratitude”


This discovery has not only baffled archeologists, but proved that the great scholars whose voices went unheard for decades, like Pierre Rossi, Moskati, Kamal Salibi, and many others, were not delusional at all when they reiterated what the ancient Greek and Roman geographers had said:  Arabia is the source of all Semitic migrations, and the cradle of all Semitic dialects, and that what we call “Arabic” today existed side by side with these other dialects, all across Arabia.

The truth that anthropologists have discovered, since the late 19th Century, is that the Semitic migrations from South West Arabia began as early back as 6000 B.C, when the ancient peoples of Arabia settled the Levant and Mesopotamia. Even the most stubborn Western scholars are beginning to accept this fact now.

In an interview on “Al-Quds Television” in 2003, Kamal Salibi said:

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“….This his has turned all that we have ever known about Semitic languages upside down. It is time we made a deep evaluation of all that we have known about this issue. It seems that the known Semitic languages (Aramaic, Syriac, Arabic, Phoenician. Kananite, and others…) were no more than dialects of the same tongue, and existed side by side, as far south as Yemen, and as far North as Syria and Jordan”.

This is in fact a reiteration of what Salibi had said earlier, in his book which shook the world “The Torah Came from Arabia” (1985) Salibi says:

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“There is no strangeness that the Arabic tongue co-existed with the other Semitic dialects as far back as the Old Testament times. Arabic, whether in its phonology or its morphology, is in fact the oldest of all those dialects. And this truth has been confirmed by the experts starting from the late 19th Century”.

Everything that we have been taught about Semitic “languages” is a LIE. The division of Semitic “languages” into Northern and Southern is a complete FALLACY. And there is no doubt in my mind that this truth has been known all along, and hidden on purpose, by some diabolical will.

But, as with all matters, the Sunna of Allah dictates that the truth will ultimately devour the lies, no matter what the rejecters do.

And the truth that will soon be made apparent to you, brothers and sisters, as you read these threads I am presenting to you, is that the eloquent dialect of the Quran is a sample of the oldest dialect in existence. The eloquent tongue of the Quran, composed of three-letter roots sounds taken directly from natural phenomena, was the language of Adam. And it was in this dialect that Allah revealed his final scripture to mankind.

You can reject and ridicule this idea now, and as long as you want. But in time, eventually, you will accept it: What we call “Arabic” is in fact THE Proto-Semitic tongue. It is a language whose alphabet existed LONG before it was ever written. This is why it has always taken second place in terms of spread and appearance, and why its origins have always been shrouded in mystery. Its relation to the other Semitic dialects is comparable to the relation between Spanish, French, Portuguese and Italian on one hand, and Roman on the other.

These dialects existed SIDE BY SIDE, all over Arabia. During the time of Muhamad, there were people who spoke Aramaic, Syriac, Thamudic, and even Old Yemeni, living alingside the speakers of Arabic. Until we accept this truth, we will never know the true history of Islam. The Quran calls these other dialects "A3jami", to distinguish them from the "eloquent tongue". Now, if you look up the true meaning of the root "3jm", you will get definitions along the lines of: something incomplete / imperfect  / something that struggles to convey a meaning / something that struggles to be, but cannot reach completion.

The eloquent tongue of the Quran is the MOTHER OF ALL TONGUES, and is the proto-type of what we call the "Semitic Languages". Its alphabet is more complete than the others, and its grammatical structure - as phonetic experts have concluded - is a testament that it is, in fact, older than the others.

So now the question is: Where does the so-called “Hebrew” language stand?

Let’s go back to what Encyclopedia Britannica says:

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“The original authors of the Old Testament are unknown; furthermore, it is not certain whether those who compiled it were individuals or groups. The Old Testament was originally recorded almost exclusively in Hebrew, with the exception of very few passages which were recorded in Aramaic. The first Jewish community eventually translated the entire text of the Torah (the Five Books) to Aramaic”.

Do you believe this joke?

Has anyone on this planet ever proven the existence of a language called “Hebrew” – a language which they claim had become “dormant” for 2000 years before it was “revived” in the Promised Land?

Here is the truth about this so-called “Hebrew”:

The letters you see below are Old Aramaic. Linguists estimate that they were used as early as the 10th Century B.C. Now, dear brothers and sisters, note the 22 letters of this alphabet. They are the SAME letters of the Arabic alphabet, with the exception of 6 letters that are not found in Aramaic (I’ll tell you what they are later). The Aramaic letters are:



أ – ب – ج – د- ه – و – ز – ح – ط – ي-  ك – ل – م – ن – س – ع – ف - ص – ق – ر- ش
– ت.

The Aramaic dialect is in fact nothing but one of the extinct dialects which originated in Arabia, and spread northwards with the first Semitic migrations. I know that this truth is shocking to many of you, but if you bear with me a little, you will see it all. Along with Syriac, Kananite, Old Yemeni (which is very similar to Ethiopian), Thamudic, Saba’ean, and Amorite, these dialects formed the corpus of what Allah called “A3jami dialects” in the Quran, to distinguish them from the eloquent dialect (which we call “Arabic”). Now, of course, the Arabic we speak today is GARBAGE, and bears very little connection to the Eloquent Tongue of the Quran, which contains 6 letters not found in Aramaic or Syriac.

Now, take a close look at the following letters, which linguists call “Squared Aramaic”:


Do these look familiar to you?

These are the SAME letters which they call “Hebrew”! Every one of them! And you can go search anywhere, and surf the net, and read all you want, until you get dizzy and nauseated, and you will not reach any other conclusion. I guarantee it. These Squared Aramaic letters are estimated to have first appeared around the 6th or 7th Century B.C, which coincides with the Babylonian Exile era. 

This is the truth that the ancient Jewish scribes wanted to hide all along. And now, in our modern times, every time someone comes close to exposing this LIE, they will immediately say: “Hebrew does in fact USE squared Aramaic letters, but it is a different language!”  

The fact of the matter is that there is not a single document in the entire history of the ancient world which mentions anything about a “Hebrew” language!

Now listen to what they said to explain the absence of any mention of this language: “It was dormant for many centuries” (Applause and drums, please!)

And listen to what they said to explain the HUNDREDS of Arabic words found in this so-called “Hebrew”:  “In its revival, it made use of many Arabic terms which were introduced into it”.

Have we had enough crap or what?

What they call “Hebrew Language” is nothing but Aramaic, after it has been injected with one of the rural dialects of Germany, known as the "Yiddish". The Zionists INVENTED this language from scratch, and then came out to the world claiming its “holiness” and “originality”.

And Aramaic, in turn, is nothing but an extinct south Arabian dialect. (well, maybe not 100% extinct, as there are still certain pockets in Syria and Iraq that speak it). And you can check for yourself the 22 letters of Squared Aramaic, and realize that they are the very same alleged “Hebrew” letters. And then how do you explain this similarity in the actual order of the letters: 

 
أ-ب-ج-د-هـ-و-ز-ح-ط-ي-....

Who are they kidding?

We can say with 100% confidence: This language didn’t even exist! They made it up from scratch. And those who wrote the so-called “Five Books” of the Torah are not “unknown” as Encyclopedia Britannica claims. They were originally an ancient tribe from the distant childhood of Arabia. And these five books were at some point, accurate records documenting the journeys of this tribe, whose name was “Bani Israel” in the Heights of Asir and Yemen, and the trials and tribulations they went through. Later on however, these records  were corrupted  during the Babylonian exiles, and then by the Septuagint priests in Egypt.

In fact, the Old Testament itself does NOT even mention a “Hebrew” language! Go ahead and read the entire OT, from cover to cover, and see for yourselves.

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So, if "Hebrew" is not a language, then what does the word mean?

This is what we will see next...

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To Be Continued

The Time for the Awakening is Now.

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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 01:45:28 PM »
The 'hebrew' alphabet IS a Phoenician alphabet..

Phoenician Alphabet.


And this is a photo of a stone in Los Lunas, New Mexico, USA which contains an inscription using the-so called "Paleo-Hebrew" alphabet which is actually "Phoenician" alphabet.



What does it say? Well it's actually the "Ten Commandments"...

It shows how the collaboration of Phoenician's advanced seafaring techniques and 'those who has been given the ten commandment' (you can say it's "Israelites") managed to travel far and wide across the atlantic ocean.

The Phoenicians mainly uses Ancient Aramaic as 'spoken language' which by itself is not much difference than 'hebrew'..

The adoption of Phoenicians script by the 'israelites' show that those two group of people did have a very close and harmonious  relationship up to the fact that perhaps they did inter-married with each others.

The Torah however IS NOT THE FIVE BOOKS! Those Five Books were actually a product of 'fabrications' by the scribes when Cyrus ordered them to write up a written law for their society. (and give them higher autonomy for self-governing within Persian empire).

The True Torah is the TEN COMMANDMENTS.. which supposedly NOT WRITTEN IN ARAMAIC OR PHOENICIAN SCRIPT BUT WRITTEN IN PICTORIAL / HIEROGLYPH script.

And sorry to say Pazuzu.. the Phoenician's 'home ground' is not in Yemen..
They are seafaring folks originated in the Levant.. or in today's Lebanon + northern Israel to be exact. From there they traveled and establish cities / colonies around Mediterranean sea which includes Tunisia (Carthage), Italy (Genoa), Spain (Carthagena, Barcelona), France (Marseille) and many others..

They do inter-marriage with the locals or 'immigrants' in the case of Italy (as thus Roman people was born) and give birth to a new group of people (or race).

Scientifically speaking... race does not exist... Arab Race.. Jewish Race.. Chinese Race.. German Race.. it's all products of invention by politicians...

Salam / Peace
The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
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And yes it's written as Al-Arabu and not Al-Badawi or Badawiyun..
*For those who had a hard time accepting this fact..

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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 02:27:54 PM »
THank you Pazuzu for opening this new thread!

Looking forward very much for your further clarifications and explanations that are most enlightening!
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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 03:26:36 PM »
Brotehr Pazuzu:
Excelent bridge between topics, another amount of well resarched information for us to confirm, reflect and change some ofideias witch are lies and Misconceptions for political human manipulation :brickwall:...:bravo:
Waiting patiently for more
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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 04:01:26 PM »
There is some info (however not nearly as extensive) in Reza Aslan's "Cosmic War" (or "Beyond Fundamentalism" in paperback. A good read...is available on Kindle for fellow kindle users (I love my kindle by the way)
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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 04:43:55 PM »
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Phoenician_alphabet.svg/200px-Phoenician_alphabet.svg.png[/img]

And sorry to say Pazuzu.. the Phoenician's 'home ground' is not in Yemen..

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According to the Academy of the Hebrew Language, in 1880s (the time of the beginning of the Zionist movement and the Hebrew revival) there were mainly three groups of Hebrew regional accents: Ashkenazi (Eastern European), Sephardi (Spanish/Portuguese/Italian), and Mizrahi (Middle Eastern - largely used by Israelis of Iraqi, Moroccan, Tunisian, Egyptian, Syrian, and Yemeni heritage).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Hebrew
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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 09:24:27 PM »
Salaam
According to the Academy of the Hebrew Language, in 1880s (the time of the beginning of the Zionist movement and the Hebrew revival) there were mainly three groups of Hebrew regional accents: Ashkenazi (Eastern European), Sephardi (Spanish/Portuguese/Italian), and Mizrahi (Middle Eastern - largely used by Israelis of Iraqi, Moroccan, Tunisian, Egyptian, Syrian, and Yemeni heritage).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Hebrew
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What does that got to do with the ancient seafaring people called "The Phoenicians" ?
Phoenician's 'home ground' was not in Yemen..

However there are (or were) MANY Yemenite Jews... as also there are MANY Ethiopian Jews.. as shown by that link you've posted.. And according to the 'rumors' the so-called "Abu Hurayrah" (Daddy of the kitten) whose name appears many times in the Sunni's book of rumors and highly regarded as 'prophet's close and trusted companion' by the Sunnis.. was also a Yemenite Jew.. that explained his utmost hatred toward dogs and pigs...

PS: If one try to analyze the historical facts.. he/she should do it 'objectively'.. and not letting 'today's political conflict' and/or one's own nationality / social identity or hatred and enmity towards certain group of people clouded his/her judgement...

Salam / Peace
The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
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And yes it's written as Al-Arabu and not Al-Badawi or Badawiyun..
*For those who had a hard time accepting this fact..

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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 11:59:30 PM »
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And sorry to say Pazuzu.. the Phoenician's 'home ground' is not in Yemen..
They are seafaring folks originated in the Levant.. or in today's Lebanon + northern Israel to be exact. From there they traveled and establish cities / colonies around Mediterranean sea which includes Tunisia (Carthage), Italy (Genoa), Spain (Carthagena, Barcelona), France (Marseille) and many others..

Originated in the Levant?

Well allow me to say: Sorry Jafar, but you are dead wrong.

Arabia is the source of all Semitic migrations.  The so-called Phoenicians, originally came from the coast of the Red Sea, in South West Arabia, where they were sea-faring people. They migrated North to the Levant, and became sea-faring peoples of the Meditteranean.

Why don't you look at this "Phoenician" alphabet of yours, and pay close attention to the letters:

aleph - ba- ja - da- ha- wa - z.....notice anything familiar??

It is the exact same as the Arabic alphabet, with the exception of 6 missing letters. You expect me to believe that  these people magically "appeared" in the Levant and brought with them the SAME alphabet that was spoken as far south as Yemen?

Of course, the arrogant Lebanese, who think that God created them and then broke the mold, are always boasting about how their "ancestors", the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet. But the truth is, they invented NOTHING. The people of Sheba and Thamud had their own written alphabet since before 1500 BC.

You can check for yourself, a sample of a Sheban inscription unearthed near Hadaramawt (I wonder why "Hazaramaveth"  is mentioned BY NAME in the Torah  :hmm). This carved block sits in the Louvre Museum, and is alone enough to expose Jafar's false beliefs.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Panel_Almaqah_Louvre_DAO18.jpg

Jafar continues to stubbornly deny what the anthropologists of the 19th and 20th Century have confirmed concerning the origin of the Phoenicians, and how they reiterated the very same truth that was known to the ancient Greeks and Romans, who had combed every inch of the Levant area.

Listen to Herodotus' words:

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According to the Persians best informed in history, the Phoenicians began the quarrel. These people, who had formerly dwelt on the shores of the Erythraean Sea (the southern part of the Arabian peninsula-Yemen), having migrated to the Mediterranean and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the wares of Egypt and Assyria…
—Herodotus


Of course, Jafar can never be convinced. He will label Herodotus as "delusional", or accuse him of inventing lies, because no matter what proofs are brought before him that the Phoenicians, along with their miserable alphabet, came from Arabia, he will still stubbornly refuse the truth.


Even modern Christians are starting to accept the truth concerning the source of Semitic peoples, because they can no longer deny science.

Check out this link, and see for yourselves:

http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Arabia

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?gtrack=pthc&ParagraphID=bbw1      (read the part about "Semitic Migration" near the middle).

But Jafar will continue to insist that the Phoenicians magically "appeared" on the Mediterranean coast.

And I'm telling you now that THERE WAS NEVER SUCH THING AS A HEBREW LANGUAGE.  EVER.
This is a Zionist invention.

The so-called "hebrew" alphabet you see today is the squared Aramaic script!!

See for yourselves:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/aramaic.htm

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Do you know how old the city of Najran is?  I will tell you it is over 4000 years old. You can go and research this all you want. 

This city predates Mecca, predates Jerusalem, and predates Babylon.


Now concerning Arabia, I will venture even further by saying this:

Arabia is not only the craddle of Semitic races, and ancient civilizations, but the craddle of LIFE itself on this planet. The first human beings appeared there, near the "elbow" of the Arabian pennisula.  And I will say this even to the face of those scientists who discovered 50,000 year-old skeletons in Ethiopia.

The problem is that the earth and soil of Arabia have not been excavated. The Saudis don't know what they are sitting on.

But I promise you that a day will come, perhaps in our lifetime, when the Surat Mountains of Arabia, their valleys, plains, and ancient river beds will be heard. They will spill forth their secrets concerning the origins of human life, and how our humanoid ancestors crawled out from egg shells (earth embryos) in the muddy swamps.

When Allah addressed Muhamad and his people by telling them:

{Roam the land and observe how the creation was initiated. Thus Allah will establish the final creation. Allah is capable of all things}...[29:20]

Allah knows full well what He is talking about, and what this land was that that He mentioned.

It wasn't Ethiopia.

And it wasn't Palestine either.

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According to the Academy of the Hebrew Language, in 1880s (the time of the beginning of the Zionist movement and the Hebrew revival) there were mainly three groups of Hebrew regional accents: Ashkenazi (Eastern European), Sephardi (Spanish/Portuguese/Italian), and Mizrahi (Middle Eastern - largely used by Israelis of Iraqi, Moroccan, Tunisian, Egyptian, Syrian, and Yemeni heritage).

There is no such thing as a "Hebrew Language".

Yemen is the origin of Judaism.

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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 01:41:33 AM »
Originated in the Levant?

Well allow me to say: Sorry Jafar, but you are dead wrong.

Arabia is the source of all Semitic migrations.  The so-called Phoenicians, originally came from the coast of the Red Sea, in South West Arabia, where they were sea-faring people. They migrated North to the Levant, and became sea-faring peoples of the Meditteranean.

The "Phoenicians" were a cousins of The Assyrians which were a cousin of "Indo-Iranian" people coming from the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

That explained the many similarities between Phoenicians script and Assyrian Aramaic script..
And we're talking about 3000-1500 BC here...

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Why don't you look at this "Phoenician" alphabet of yours, and pay close attention to the letters:

aleph - ba- ja - da- ha- wa - z.....notice anything familiar??

It is the exact same as the Arabic alphabet, with the exception of 6 missing letters. You expect me to believe that  these people magically "appeared" in the Levant and brought with them the SAME alphabet that was spoken as far south as Yemen?

Of course the so-called 'Arabic alphabet' IS a derivation and extension from phoenician script..
It influence then grew far south to Yemen and Ethiophia....

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Of course, the arrogant Lebanese, who think that God created them and then broke the mold, are always boasting about how their "ancestors", the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet. But the truth is, they invented NOTHING. The people of Sheba and Thamud had their own written alphabet since before 1500 BC.

Lebanese unlike the Yemenites doesn't see that "God created them and then broke the mold" or let alone 'boasting about their ancestor the Phoenicians'.. Lebanese doesn't have that crisis of 'identity and pride' which commonly felt among Yemenites today...


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You can check for yourself, a sample of a Sheban inscription unearthed near Hadaramawt (I wonder why "Hazaramaveth"  is mentioned BY NAME in the Torah  :hmm). This carved block sits in the Louvre Museum, and is alone enough to expose Jafar's false beliefs.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Panel_Almaqah_Louvre_DAO18.jpg
I've check it and it's dated 700 BC!! And not 1500 BC as you claimed earlier..
Stop the delusion.. Pazuzu//


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Jafar continues to stubbornly deny what the anthropologists of the 19th and 20th Century have confirmed concerning the origin of the Phoenicians, and how they reiterated the very same truth that was known to the ancient Greeks and Romans, who had combed every inch of the Levant area.

Yes of course the Greeks and Romans basic intentions was Invasion...
They will try to show that those 'filthy native people' are just a bunch of 'barbarians'.. subject for 'slavery' or 'massacres'...

Little did the Romans knew that The Phoenicians was in fact their ancestor as well....
Greek boys f***d Phoenicians girls and VOILA.. The Romans is born...

It's strange for me to find that you trust "Herodotus" and his cohorts.. the 'imperialist' of ancient times..
I tell you that their attitude are MUCH WORSE than today's Zionist...

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Of course, Jafar can never be convinced. He will label Herodotus as "delusional", or accuse him of inventing lies, because no matter what proofs are brought before him that the Phoenicians, along with their miserable alphabet, came from Arabia, he will still stubbornly refuse the truth.

My friend I think you should snap out from your dream....


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But Jafar will continue to insist that the Phoenicians magically "appeared" on the Mediterranean coast.

No they didn't... see above...
Most definitely THEY"RE NOT COMING FROM YEMEN!

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And I'm telling you now that THERE WAS NEVER SUCH THING AS A HEBREW LANGUAGE.  EVER.
This is a Zionist invention.
The so-called "hebrew" alphabet you see today is the squared Aramaic script!!

As there were never such thing as "ARABIC LANGUAGE" either...
This is "Arab Nationalist" invention...

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Yemen is the origin of Judaism.

Right.. Yemen is the origin of ALL THINGS.. just like you said.. (or perhaps just like you dream of)
Adam was in Yemen,  Eve was in Yemen, Noah was in Yemen, Enoch was in Yemen, Abraham was in Yemen, Lot was in Yemen, Pharaoh was in Yemen, Moses was in Yemen, Muhammad was in Yemen, Mike Tyson was in Yemen, Isaac Newton was in Yemen.
Yemen is the source of Gold, Silver, Silk, Incense.. and all of the sort of valuable resources.
Yemen is the holy land.. while those area outside Yemen were just a filthy unholy land which contains nothing...
Yemenites is the 'choosen people' and non-Yemenites are lesser people who should be subjugated to serves Yemenites..

Hmmmm sounds familiar?

But then again.. there are no compulsion in judgement as truth stands out clear from error..
You are free to believe anything that you want..

Salam / Peace
The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
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And yes it's written as Al-Arabu and not Al-Badawi or Badawiyun..
*For those who had a hard time accepting this fact..

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Re: "Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 05:18:13 AM »
Salam, Peace,

As you can see in this link:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601944.msg270867#msg270867

I came to a similar conclusion as yours.

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