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How/Why did hadiths become a second source of law?
Producer:
I apologies for inexplicably, because what I've be doing, a research and experiment of an "Psychological Inquisition" or simply a "Mind Trick", that'll could neutralize Sunnis.
There has been Great and Massive Research on Allah Alone Guidance, biggest problem is getting the Sunnis close minded mind to comprehend it.
a higher Psychological method to convey the message, or in my experimental method a Mind trick.
Student of Allah:
--- Quote from: SNS on October 16, 2011, 09:40:06 AM ---Your rebuttal sounds very interesting - anytime I mention Qur'an alone it's always 'Obey the messenger'. When will it be up?
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Salam,
Well, in my paper on "Obey the messenger", I tried t reason from a new angle. I think this issue is the top most issue that comes up when you mention the Quran alone approach to Islam. The funny thing is, most of those traditional muslims dont even know that the verses usually doesnt end there.
Here is something for you to observe. When you meet a sunni/shia, invite him to discard the hadith garbage, he/she will say "Allah said in Quran to Obey Allah and rasul", you simply ask him what comes next in the same ayaat. And just look at his face. This is what happens when people start disbelieving without knowing, they put more faith in man than God:
2:171 And the example of those who disbelieve is like one who repeats what he has heard of calls and cries; deaf, dumb, and blind, they do not comprehend.
Its an amazing phenomena. These people feel bad when the world calls them terrorists because the Quran asks to kill the infidels. They try to show you the full verses,context and other quranic phrases to prove that God didnt order to go about killing infidels. Yet, these are the same people that established a complete doctrine based on few words stripped from ayaats.By the way, this should work pretty well with more than 90% of the muslims.
Peace be on you
-------------------------- Student of Allah
WhereIsTheTruth:
--- Quote from: SNS on October 16, 2011, 09:36:43 AM ---Salaam,
But sometimes, things scholars/imams say make no sense whatsoever and just go against basic morals. Like the breasfeeding non-mahram men thing - that's just idiocy. You'd have to be a right fool to believe that. And then you have others that say it's okay to temporarily marry girls that are as young as 4 years old but you can't 'penetrate' - that goes against basic morals - how can you follow someone with views like that? What makes a person follow these types of people? Is it just self gratification?
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Remember that according to general sunni belief you dont question sunni practices... if you begin to question and think for yourself you would likely be told to seek 'forgiveness' for sinning by having KUFR ideas - and who wants to be seen as a KAFIR? ........ So when you dont think for yourself you need someone ELSE to think for you, and its here when the scholers or imams come into the picture.. you depend on them fully.. so if they once a while say very weird criminal things(which rarely happens since its not what the avarage muslim of 2011 hear in the masjid) as breast feeding, slavery, terrorism etc. than you would not care about it too much or think that there are some underline wisdom in it which you dont quite understand, and than you wont bother further about it :) Thats properly most people start to follow weird types of mullahs. Simply because they fear that their inner voice would let them fall into sin, and since mullahs are ''experts'' whatever they say must be islam.
Emil:
--- Quote from: SNS on October 16, 2011, 02:20:01 AM ---I'm just wondering how these texts became so important that in some cases they override the holy book itself. Surely, when they were first put together people would have been skeptical? They couldn't have been that stupid to believe that people would remember something word for word 2 centuries after the Prophet's death?
And why did they become so important. Were people too lazy to think on their own or what?
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Salaam SNS
I think some of the very contributing reasons why hadith became so strong are
1.) Hadith follows the long time tradition of oral narrations that in the geographical area where islam was founded are strong.
2.) Illiteracy combined with the fact the holy book of Quran was scarce
3.) The simple fact of whom to believe more "I know so because I have read it" or "I know so because prophet Muhammed said it"
There is no doubt in my mind that if the people of the time had access to what we have today (school, internet etc.) the hadith would never survive, people would throw them out when they see it was contradictory to the Quran.
afridi220:
yesterday a young scholar told me that for us hadiths comes first and Quran 2nd.
:confused: i called hm mushreq and he left angrily :'(
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/the-quran-and-hadith-which-is-more-authentic/
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