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Aryan Warrior:
--- Quote from: KDC501 on October 27, 2011, 01:09:24 PM ---Brother Aryan,
I didn't know that your translation was the best of all translations since that is the impression you have been giving me these last two posts.lol. Ok lets do it your way...
"And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and Allah knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their people, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. "
It's the same thing that I have been trying to show you...
It is quite obvious that in order for a man to have the means to marry a woman who is not independent the man himself must be an independent. Common Sense. A non-independent cannot be expected to marry a another non-independent.
Peace,
Kevin
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The problem here is that you believe free means independent. Free means not being a slave. Clearly the son or daughter of a king is a free man and not of the right hand possession, so don't confuse "Free" to mean independent and realize that arranged marrages are done entirely when the person isn't "independent" either. Try again.
WhereIsTheTruth:
--- Quote from: Aryan Warrior on October 28, 2011, 09:33:23 AM ---The problem here is that you believe free means independent. Free means not being a slave. Clearly the son or daughter of a king is a free man and not of the right hand possession, so don't confuse "Free" to mean independent and realize that arranged marrages are done entirely when the person isn't "independent" either. Try again.
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Yes free means independent. What have slaves to do with anything? noone is a slave today and slavery is totally haram in Islam. And what do you mean by right hands possession..how does a right hand possess anything, doesn't the left hand posses ? . If you mean ma malakat aymanakom than it means who you have in your oath from the word ayman or the people in your area from the word mulk. Peace
KDC501:
--- Quote from: Aryan Warrior on October 28, 2011, 09:33:23 AM ---The problem here is that you believe free means independent. Free means not being a slave. Clearly the son or daughter of a king is a free man and not of the right hand possession, so don't confuse "Free" to mean independent and realize that arranged marrages are done entirely when the person isn't "independent" either. Try again.
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In Sura 4:25, free doesn't only mean a person who is not a slave , but a woman you is financially able to care of themselves. What I'm trying to get across to you brother is that you need at least one independent (usually the male) who has the FINANCIAL means in a relationship to get married. That is what I have been trying to show to you from these verses.
Peace,
Kevin
Aryan Warrior:
--- Quote from: WhereIsTheTruth on October 28, 2011, 01:15:33 PM ---Yes free means independent. What have slaves to do with anything? noone is a slave today and slavery is totally haram in Islam. And what do you mean by right hands possession..how does a right hand possess anything, doesn't the left hand posses ? . If you mean ma malakat aymanakom than it means who you have in your oath from the word ayman or the people in your area from the word mulk. Peace
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--- Quote from: KDC501 on October 28, 2011, 03:04:34 PM ---In Sura 4:25, free doesn't only mean a person who is not a slave , but a woman you is financially able to care of themselves. What I'm trying to get across to you brother is that you need at least one independent (usually the male) who has the FINANCIAL means in a relationship to get married. That is what I have been trying to show to you from these verses.
Peace,
Kevin
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Late reply but slavery WAS allowed in Islam as long as certain requirements were met.Historically that is what righthand possession has always referred to anyways. Muhammad himself did have slaves but remember a slave in islam is a lot like a servant than anything else in terms of rights.
And yes free does mean that, cause slavery has been preached in the Quran many time and doesn't refer to "independence" afterall you have two families who arrange for their children to get married and neither are independent. Happened back then, and happens now with no argument even amongst the ultra strict Wahabis. So clearly that isn't the case.
WhereIsTheTruth:
Aryan Warriors
Late reply but slavery WAS allowed in Islam as long as certain requirements were met.Historically that is what righthand possession has always referred to anyways
You are a hadither. Yes slavery was and IS allowed in haditherism. Are you calling the arabic hadither history for islam ? Since I am a quran only muslim I cant take you serious. Give me evidences from quran that slavery is allowed, and i would offer to buy you as my slave.
Right hand possession? Yes historically hijab also ment head scarf or even niqaab face veil for women, and historically punishment for zina was stoning to death. So what is your point? I am not a sunni. So these ''historical sunni sick interpretations' are not a part of my religion. Same thing with right hand possessions. Yes according to sunnism i can buy and rape you because you are my property. Does your logic says that God would allow me to rape you? And who says that it means ''right hand possessions'' what does right hand to do with anything. my right ass. Well we quran only muslims on freeminds translate it as ''what you have your oath''
--- Quote --- remember a slave in islam is a lot like a servant than anything else in terms of rights.
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So why do you call them slaves if they are not slaves? And again, do you mean haditherism?
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And yes free does mean that, cause slavery has been preached in the Quran many time and doesn't refer to "independence" afterall you have two families who arrange for their children to get married and neither are independent.
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Where has slavery been preached in the quran? Can you please show me where the quran says that I can have slaves? The arabic word for slave is ABD. Can you show it to me in the quran?
Wao. Seems like you love slavery a lot. Would you than mind to sell yourself to me? :rotfl: :yay: I really wanna have some slaves :ignore:
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