Salat=Still confused

[Tyler Durden]

GODsubmitter:

Do you not see any hypocrisy in your own writing? Actually it's quite admirable that you have the balls to say this in one post:

I agree with you "maxamad", it also starts to happen to me as well, that each time I get here I get more confused. As you say, I also notice individualism at its best here. Bubbling and discussion between petty little human egos.

and then can quite easily criticise Taj with this gem:

Have you considered being a priest? 

i didn't see anything in Taj's reply that warranted that response.

Further, if you had taken the time to read Eikonoklastes response, he was merely putting forward a series of statements that led to his final conclusion - if we believe this, this and this, then such and such is true. In fact, (once again if you took any time to read the post) then you would have seen that he clarified his remarks :

However if we do believe the Quran to be from Allah, and these acts are forbidden, then I don't believe it to be wise to ignore them. Furthermore if the Quran is fully detailed and explains everything, and we believe that, we should have patience and know that eventually we will know the answer.

If you want clear cut precise rules then I'm not sure if you will find them here. Yes there are individual views and interpretations that may contradict each other, but that's a result of open-mindedness and the freedom to discuss whatever it is we believe should be discussed. We are all unique and have differences in spirituality. I believe the Qur'an accounts for this.

I apologise in advance brother if I have got the wrong side of the coin, but I saw a lot of needless sarcasm in your post that I personally thought was unnecessary.

Thanks,

Ty

[TAJ]

Thank you "TAJ", for nice and warmly reassuring post!

Pity there were no violins to accompany that poetic fantasy about the "something" shielding a human, as a parent would protect a baby, and a human holding the rope...


PS
How good you are in giving advice... and how good you are...
in judging
in pardoning...
in reasuring...
Have you considered being a priest? 

How much better do you feel now after you've written this post? You don't need to answer to me, btw; only to yourself.

All the best.
 

[GODsubmitter]

It all just confirms that this is a battlefield for a match-game of egos, trying to score some approval or disapproval...

As for "Paradox Uncreated"'s post, that the book about the bicameral mind looks like a "conjured trash" to him, I can only kindly ask to ponder and read the book FIRST!

And yes, I do think that Quran came as a final testament and a "clear cut precise rules" as "Tyler Durden" put it, and I don't expect to find them here, but was simply amazed how humans managed to get into more and worse confusion all the time, with deliberate interpretations, wrong translations and with shaitan's help, more and more nonsensical approach to The Reality of Universal Laws of Allah (Which is, or Who is, by the way, not a deity!).

So, I expected to find here, in this forum, a sane and sound approach to freeing our minds and ourselves of all religious and theological magmas and helping ourselves to better understand why Quran was reveled after Torah and Jesus, and, was it for Arabs only and in Arabic only (as it states "in clear Arabic"), or was it meant for the entire humanity?
If so, how comes that The Supreme Will cannot express Itself clearly?

I sugest to you all to visit and examine this site:

http://www.aididsafar.com/

and especially to read THAT translation of the Quran Sura 2. Thank you

[OPF]

@OPF, do you seriously think that learning Arabic language is an obligation and if you do you're gonna understand things better than a native arab? Chances are very slim

To be a muslim/mumin, no. Truth is not exclusively arabic.

However if a person is more guided than a native Arab I do believe such a person will understand things better than them for sure. After all, see 9:97. In the modern information age I don't think it's anywhere near as important however if one wishes to have a crystal clear perspective of quran one must be sure what the book truly is saying.

OPF calla me confused. How observant. I am not enjoying any cloudy mirror. "Comfortable warm blanky shielding me from the fire of ALLAH'S wrath" That and jigsaw puzzles. Ok analogy genius I picture ALLAH as most forgiving full of love and you love to talk wrath and punishment. I do not knowingly conceal the truth because I am searching for the truth. I do not think learning arabic is essential. Why would a merciful GOD want people to study another language to get a true meaning of a sacred text. Looks like you are trying to label me as a pusher of falsehood. Politely judging me and calling me a kafir like a hadither. Remember sparky, I also can take ayats out of context and make you look bad. PEACE

The last 500 "you're all confused" threads in this forum were all started by hadithist trolls who come here to "Convert people back to the Beloved Prophet™". Picture ALLAH as most forgiving and loving all you wish, He is harsh in punishment too (5:2). People like to gloss over that part of ALLAH, I wonder why?

Why would a merciful God want people to study altogether? Have you considered that? Instead of questioning He who is unquestionable and calling people confused, why don't you question yourself?

"Looks like you are trying to label me as a pusher of falsehood. Politely judging me and calling me a kafir like a hadither."

Let me explain. The truth is one truth. If you reject any part of it knowingly you are a rejector of truth. That is what a "kafir" is. It does not mean you are necessarily going to Hell, but it 100% most definitely means you have taken one step on that path. With regards to true islam you are always part kafir, part mumin/muslim for as long as your knowledge of yourself does not totally encompass your actions. That is how satan stirs up suffering in our lives despite us being "Muslim". Not a single person is exempt from the questions that ALLAH poses in his book as much of a believer they may think themselves to be.

A scientist cannot believe in the sun and deny the moon, he is no scientist. A truth seeker cannot take one half of the truth and say "fuck the rest, it's too confusing". I am free to judge when I know of certain truths. I don't tend to judge people on matters I know nothing about. This quality of truth acceptor/rejector applies to all people, not just you. ALLAH will judge us all in the end.

[miah]

Do not confused
Please try to understand different meaning of salat
1: when word salat used with time( salat fajar or salat asar)it's means reading&understading Quran
     Which is 1hr morning(salat fajar) and 1hr evening(salat ashar)
2:  when word salat used with zakat or just only salat,it's means Islamic government or "Deen"
3:  some other salatmeaning also used in Quran but above two means are very basic and impotent ,
     Those people who don't like Islam just changed above  two meanings of salat into 5 time Namaaz ,
     Now keep these two point in your mind and start reading Quran , inshallah you will find salat in
      Quran.

[GODsubmitter]

THANK YOU miah !!!

Well written! Finally: short and to the point! and true!!! 

I agree totally, that is what I was looking for, as a confirmation!

[youssef4342]

Peace everyone
May God almighty resolve our disputes by his mercy and grace
Well there are various practices out there
1) 5 salats a day the traditional "muslims" way
2) 5 salats a day  the Submitters international's way
3) 3 salat/prayers a day (some Quran alone muslims & Jews*)
*Watch the Jewish "salat"  www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg
4) 2 salats (some Quran alone muslims)
5) The newly "Commitments" way http://mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com/

God guides with the Quran those who seek his approval, the path of "slm"
 

[GODsubmitter]

[OPF]

Peace,

Thank you!

[maxamad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDHSx0AWND8