Cousin marriages- dnt understand???

[KDC501]

peace

may i ask why such a thing would be allowed ONLY for the prophet and nobody else?
i thought quran rules apply to everyone, so why certain things only for him....?

As far I'm concerned 33:50 is in the Quran and not outside the Quran. I think the proper question you want to ask is why God would allow the previous Prophet certain privileges outside of the average acknowledger?

Answer:God is the true law giver. He is the creator of laws and commandments.  Who are we question what he has allowed or what he has disallowed. God grants permission to whom he wills, He exalts whom he wishes. A Prophet and a follower will not have the same tasks. For example, Prophets are responsible for delivering the book not the acknowledgers. It is God who grants certain tasks to whom he wishes of his servants. It is not to us to question who he chooses or why certain laws are granted to one group of people and different laws granted to others. He is our law-giver.

[kgwithnob]

peace

may i ask why such a thing would be allowed ONLY for the prophet and nobody else?
i thought quran rules apply to everyone, so why certain things only for him....?

That is a matter of DIVINE decision and we have no saying in that.

My personal understanding in this particular case is that since the Prophet, pbuh, besides being a religious leader, was also a political leader and a statesman too; he probably had special privileges here and there, becoming distinguished form others. Another thought is that since he was not going to have anymore offspring, it wouldn’t make any difference in the outcome. Anyways, as I said, this is only my personal opinion.

Another example of this, is the verse 20:41 below, where GOD, Almighty, informs the prophet Moses that HE had MADE him for HIMSELF!

 وَاصْطَنَعْتُكَ لِنَفْسِي
And I have made you for Myself.

Or in 4:164 & 7:144, ALLAAH, SWT, SPEAKS to Moses while most of the time GOD communicates by REVELATION.

وَرُسُلًا قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلًا لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ ۚ وَكَلَّمَ اللَّهُ مُوسَىٰ تَكْلِيمًا
And (We sent) messengers We have mentioned to you before and messengers we have not mentioned to you, and Allah SPOKE to Moses, speaking (to him):

قَالَ يَا مُوسَىٰ إِنِّي اصْطَفَيْتُكَ عَلَى النَّاسِ بِرِسَالَاتِي وَبِكَلَامِي فَخُذْ مَا آتَيْتُكَ وَكُن مِّنَ الشَّاكِرِينَ
He said: O Musa! Surely I have chosen you above the people with My messages and with My SPEAKING to you, therefore take hold of what I give to you and be of the grateful ones.    

Or in 7:145, GOD writes His commandments in stone tablets for Moses and he carries the tablets with him to his people.   

وَكَتَبْنَا لَهُ فِي الْأَلْوَاحِ مِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ مَّوْعِظَةً وَتَفْصِيلًا لِّكُلِّ شَيْءٍ فَخُذْهَا بِقُوَّةٍ وَأْمُرْ قَوْمَكَ يَأْخُذُوا بِأَحْسَنِهَا ۚ سَأُرِيكُمْ دَارَ الْفَاسِقِينَ
And We WROTE for him in the tablets admonition of every kind and clear explanation of all things; so take hold of them with firmness and enjoin your people to take hold of what is best thereof; I will show you the abode of the transgressors.

Peace,
Khalil

 

[Kukumber]

It's intuitive. Let's say one person has a defective gene and another doesnt't. Chance of passing it on (i.e. contribution to child's DNA) = 50%. If both have that gene, chance of passing it on = 100%.

Peace OPF.

There are two issues with what you say.

1) as rraza mentioned earlier, you could be having a child with someone completely unrelated, who may have the same deleterious gene, and that would increase the chances of having a child with some sort of birth defect.

2) Just because you have a certain gene, it does not mean that it will manifest. There are a minimum of 2 genes that control for every trait (one from each parent), and most deleterious traits with a chance of being passed on are recessive, as dominant ones usually render you unable to have children.  So your percentages are off. If the dad has one bad gene and one good gene, and the mom has 2 good genes, the child has a 100% chance of getting a good gene from his mom, and 50% of getting a good one from his dad, which leads him to having a 25% chance of being a carrier of this defective gene, and 0% of actually having a birth defect.  If both mom and dad have one bad gene each, there is a 25% chance, the child will not even be a carrier, 50% chance of being a carrier, and 25% chance of there being an actual physical manifestation of a birth defect. And that is a very simplistic view, most traits are controlled by much more than 2 genes. For example, hair colour, and eye colour are traits that are controlled by 6 genes (three from each parent).

Also, first cousins having children does not increase the total number of deleterious genes that exist in a population, as there is no evidence that first cousins have on average more children than the general population. This is reference to you quoting your percentages as the chance of the gene being passed on. The gene of one parent has an equal chance of being passed on, regardless of who the other parent of the child is.

That also does not include the random mutations that occur when chromosomes combine, with every child that is made. the mutations can of course be positive, negative and neutral.

And we don't see the outcome in real life of what is being alluded to here, a higher number of birth defects.

So its intuitive to me, why there was no need for it to be forbidden.

Kukumber.

[OPF]

Argument #1 is entirely irrelevant. Dragons from outer space could impregnate your wife and the child may then be born with Alzheimer's syndrome and 6 legs.

Argument #2, I agree. I'm not concerned by the intricacies, I am just pointing out that daddy contributes 50% and mommy contributes 50% so by whatever rules of statistics, things will happen.

In truth, I take a very clean-room materialist perspective on reality. Anything is possible within the space of reality and I do not judge it as right or wrong, it is what it is. For instance I presently don't have a clue about the truthful nature of zina in the quran. However when ALLAH says in the quran that it is forbidden, I do not question why but rather I simply keep it in my pants until I know exactly what is going on. Thus one avoids both the pain and illusory bliss of ignorance. This ALLAH character tends to usually be correct for some odd reason, almost as if He created everythign that exists or something.

[Kukumber]

Peace OPF

Argument 1 is entirely relevant, as unrelated parents can have children with birth defects, just as related parents can. Also when we have such a thing as genetic testing, it becomes even more relevant. If through genetic testing we find out an unrelated couple both carry a recessive gene, therefore having a 25% chance of having a child with whatever "defect" that gene causes, how is that different from a related couple finding out the same thing.

Anyways to each their own, if someone wants to marry their first cousin, they can go ahead, its none of my business. I don't interpret the Quran as saying first cousin marriages are forbidden, and I don't see any negative real-life outcomes from first cousins getting married, any greater than any other couple getting married.

People can get grossed out by first-cousin marriages, that's perfectly ok, but its an emotional reaction, and not one that is really grounded in any fact.

Kukumber

[nerspi]

That is a matter of DIVINE decision and we have no saying in that.

Answer:God is the true law giver. He is the creator of laws and commandments.  Who are we question what he has allowed or what he has disallowed. God grants permission to whom he wills, He exalts whom he wishes. A Prophet and a follower will not have the same tasks. For example, Prophets are responsible for delivering the book not the acknowledgers. It is God who grants certain tasks to whom he wishes of his servants. It is not to us to question who he chooses or why certain laws are granted to one group of people and different laws granted to others. He is our law-giver.

ok are these actual serious answers?
unbelievable...

first of all.... divine? its a divine decision to allow a prophet something yet not for others and mention it in a book sent to ALL humans... hmm
second of all... who am i to question? im a follower who doesnt want to blindly follow something he doesnt undertsand, yes i will question everything...

so why, why is that written about the prophet, seems less likely for a God to say that, more likely that a human would say it... but whatever....

i still wanna know, a real logical researched answer pls

[KDC501]

ok are these actual serious answers?
unbelievable...

first of all.... divine? its a divine decision to allow a prophet something yet not for others and mention it in a book sent to ALL humans... hmm
second of all... who am i to question? im a follower who doesnt want to blindly follow something he doesnt undertsand, yes i will question everything...

so why, why is that written about the prophet, seems less likely for a God to say that, more likely that a human would say it... but whatever....

i still wanna know, a real logical researched answer pls

2:247 Their prophet said to them, "God has sent Saul to you as a king." They said, "How can he have the kingship when we are more deserving than him, and he has not been given an abundance of wealth?" He said, "God has chosen him over you and increased him in knowledge and stature." God grants His sovereignty to whom He chooses; and God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

30:37 Did they not see that God grants the provisions for whom He wills, and He is able? In that are signs for a people who acknowledge.

3:160 If God grants you victory then none can defeat you, and if He abandons you then who can grant you victory after Him? In God, those who acknowledge should put their trust.


There is no other answer to your question. God grants knowledge, power, Kingship and messenger-ship to which ever of his servants he wishes. The same is true with this life. God made the animals subservient to us (humans). He mad the angels controllers of provision for us. God is the King of Kings, The All Powerful. Do you know better than him in regards to which of his servants should be granted what and which shouldn't?  My advice to you brother is to conquer your ego. If you cannot conquer your ego you will not be guided. Pride and arrogance is not a trait of a sincere believer. Like it or not we do not have a say in regards who is granted what and who isn't. This can only be determined by God. 

[KDC501]

Dear Readers,

After careful revaluation of 33:50 and 4:23 it appears that the marriage of cousins is permitted among believers. The last prophet was the only person who was permitted to take wifes who had decreed themselves to him without a dowry.

Marriage of Cousins permitted
4:23 Forbidden for you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your fathers' sisters, your mothers' sisters, the daughters of your brother, and the daughters of your sister, your foster mothers who suckled you, your sisters from suckling, the mothers of your wives, and your step-daughters residing in your homes from your wives which you have already consummated the marriage with; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you; and the wives of your sons that are from your seed, and that you join between two sisters except what has already been done. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
4:24 The women who are already married, except those whom you have contractual rights, God's book is over you; and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking with your money to be protected and not for illicit sex. As for those whom you have already had joy with them, then you shall give them their wage as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

No dowry is necessary:-

33:50 O prophet, We have made lawful for you the wives to whom you have already given their dowry, and the one who is committed to you by oath, as granted to you by God, and the daughters of your father's brothers, and the daughters of your father's sisters, and the daughters of your mother's brothers, and the daughters of your mother's sisters, of whom they have emigrated with you. Also, the acknowledging woman who had decreed herself to the prophet, the prophet may marry her if he wishes, as a privilege given only to you and not to those who acknowledge. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses and those who are still dependants. This is to spare you any hardship. God is Forgiver, Compassionate. - Edip/layth

33:50 O prophet, we made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their due dowry, or what you already have, as granted to you by GOD. Also lawful for you in marriage are the daughters of your father's brothers, the daughters of your father's sisters, the daughters of your mother's brothers, the daughters of your mother's sisters, who have emigrated with you. Also, if a believing woman gave herself to the prophet - by forfeiting the dowry - the prophet may marry her without a dowry, if he so wishes. However, her forfeiting of the dowry applies only to the prophet, and not to the other believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses or what they already have. This is to spare you any embarrassment. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. -Rashad Khalifa

My misinterpretation came about because of the lack of study in this particular subject. Marriage is the last thing on my mind (because of my age and other circumstances)

Peace,

Kevin.