Why I believe in the return of Isa

[Mazhar]

This/here is that Book, you will find all the time reading it, which has the characteristic that within its contents there is absolutely no suspicious/conjectural/whimsical/conflicting/un-certain/illusory/perplexing/disconcerting matter, causing distraught emotional uncertain states/psychological disturbance.  [this feature makes it the Unique Book, the only infinitely reliable Book]. [Refer 2:002]

This emphatic and absolute negation of presence of any statement within the Book, that might cause disturbance, disquiet or agitation of  minds and hearts, helps satisfy your concern, apprehension and uncertainty regarding achievement of the objective of reading a book. This negation might place your mind in tranquil state since it subtly suggests that you will certainly find in the Book nothing but the established and proven truth, a source of tranquility of heart and mind.

However, if your claim is that you are a truth seeker then it has also created an obligation upon you; now you cannot refuse reading it otherwise you will expose yourself, that in fact you are not a truth-seeker but a prisoner of own thoughts and passions. A truth seeker is never biased, prejudiced and whimsical. He is left with no option but to read the Book and accept its contents or venture to prove them wrong. Being claimant of truth-seeker, you have to read it. Reading of a book creates a liability and obligation upon the reader. He has either to accept its words or discard its version by a counter argument and evidence of fact negating its statement.

Introduction of Qur'aan: The only Infinitely Reliable Book

[GODsubmitter]

Listen Mazhar,

your translation might be even right or quite accurate, but that doesn't entitle you to force it upon anybody else.
I see a lot of proselytism (hidden and open) in many posts in this Forum. ("No obligation in religion!")

If the Quran is Word of God, and is meant for all mankind, then even a woman who cleans the corridors and stairways in my building, who is half-educated, should understand it when reading it, because she is also a Muslim and reads the Quran.

The Quran is meant for each and everyone to be understood and accepted to his best abilities. Only a messenger with some kind of proof (as Rashad Khalifa for example) could be entitled to give some kind of interpretation and purify Quran's application! Otherwise its vague approximate deciphering can lead to infinite nonsense and contradictions. The good example is the ongoing debate about salat and ritual prayer which can be read in corresponding posts.

Reading of a book creates a liability and obligation upon the reader. He has either to accept its words or discard its version by a counter argument and evidence of fact negating its statement.

Quran doesn't say that, who says that? you?

[Mazhar]

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Reading of a book creates a liability and obligation upon the reader. He has either to accept its words or discard its version by a counter argument and evidence of fact negating its statement.

Quran doesn't say that, who says that? you?

My quote was with relation to a truth seeker.
It did not include the cheats since Rashad Khalifa did not understand this basic principle of reading a book, therefore, it does not make sense to you and thereby you pronounce authoritatively that Qur'aan does not say that.

Reading a book is an act and act is done when there is a stimuli, an objective in mind desired to be achieved through the intended act.

For a cheat reading a book might not create an obligation upon him to follow in life, in letter and spirit, its injunctions, information and other contents since the nature of stimuli was different.

But for those who read the book under the stimuli of finding and knowing the truth, the book does creeate an obligation that he should adopt and follow it in his life.

[About Grand Qur'aan same pronouncement in same words 6:92;similar 21:50;38:29]
And this is the Book [Grandd Qur'aan], We have sent it. This has been given permanence and perpetuation/the striking peculiarity of it is that it is prescribed/stay for ever.


Therefore you people physically follow the Grand Qur'aan in letter and spirit/without in between there being intervention of third party, and remain cautious avoiding unrestrained conduct [restrain yourself within the fold of Grand Qur'aan] so that you people may get mercy/salvation. [6:155]


You people physically follow, in letter and spirit without in between there being intervention of third party, that Book/Grand Qur'aan which has since been sent for you people from your Sustainer Lord

[the path of light]

If there existed an infallible book, the world would not be the bloodbath it is today. 

And no, I am absolutely not going to compromise my morality in order to fit my worldview into your interpretation of a book. 

Everywhere you look, there is the face of God.  Even when you are looking in the direction of a heretic.  Enjoy your fundamentalist outlook on reality and its accompanying condemnation of people to "grievous torture."  You are quite a charming individual. 

I'm done debating with you on this particular topic.  It's pretty lame. 

[GODsubmitter]

You are perfectly right the path of light dear brother, and it seems to me that brother Mazhar forgot that Allah is Merciful and Dispenser of Grace.
Embedded in his semantic research and meticulous analysis of the text, perhaps he simply overlooked the fact that almost EVERY Surah starts with "Bissmilahi Rachmani Racheem" by no accident or casual formality.
"In the names (attributes) of God Who is the Most Merciful, Most Gracious".  It is not unimportant I think!

On the other hand, I greatly admire Mazhar's effort and huge contribution of his translation on his site.

But thanks to God that God understands every language and every thought, and that He is far more Merciful and Wiser than any human or jinn!

[Mazhar]

You are perfectly right the path of light dear brother, and it seems to me that brother Mazhar forgot that Allah is Merciful and Dispenser of Grace.
Embedded in his semantic research and meticulous analysis of the text, he simply overlooked the fact that almost EVERY Surah starts with Bissmilahi Rachmani Racheem.
"In the names (attributes) of God Who is the Most Merciful, Most Gracious".  It is not unimportant I think!

On the other hand, I greatly admire Mazhar's effort and huge contribution of his translation on his site.

But thanks to God that God understands every language and every thought, and that He is far more Merciful and Wiser than any human or jinn!

Punishing the convicts and criminals is but the manifestation of mercy.

[exodus]

Congrats the Dreamer, you spot on! I have also noticed that Isa's issue with death many years ago just like you.

It is very annoying to see The Dreamer's very noticeable observation slaughtered by feckless posts.

[OPF]

If there existed an infallible book, the world would not be the bloodbath it is today. 

And no, I am absolutely not going to compromise my morality in order to fit my worldview into your interpretation of a book. 

Everywhere you look, there is the face of God.  Even when you are looking in the direction of a heretic.  Enjoy your fundamentalist outlook on reality and its accompanying condemnation of people to "grievous torture."  You are quite a charming individual. 

I'm done debating with you on this particular topic.  It's pretty lame. 

Peace

Quran came in Arabic, it was infallible in Arabic. Without quran, Muslim conquest of the world could not have happened.

Then came the Quran translators, and then came the Quran translations.

What kind of Quran translation are You?

Peace

[hoesni01]

Pl read 21:34 of the Quran and decide if Prophet Isa is coming back. Of course he will be around on judgement day.
Would appreciate some comments on the above,
SALAM

[Bigmo]

I think this topic should be discussed after reaching a conclusion of whether the Gospel can be relied upon. Knowing whether Jesus will return should be done based on a New Testament analysis and not necessarily the Koran.