Why I believe in the return of Isa

[The Dreamer]

"There is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them." (4:159)

This verse establishes quite clearly that Isa is not dead, and thus establishes that the true meaning of mutawaffeeka (used in verse 3:55) is not "cause you to die" as some Qur'anists claim but rather "take thee".

Since the Qur'an establishes that "every human being is bound to taste death" (29:57), I conclude that Isa is going to return.

[Eikonoklastes]

Peace,

I suggest you read the articles on the following sites.

http://www.freewebs.com/nadqur/
http://www.freewebs.com/nadqur/Verse4-159.htm

May Allah guide us all to the truth.

[SeekingYou]

Which book exactly this verse is talking about???don't change god's words and say the book=the books=Torah/Engeel like Sunnis...

Isa is not Jesus, and Salaboh is not crossing it is not the + thing....

[The Dreamer]

Which book exactly this verse is talking about???don't change god's words and say the book=the books=Torah/Engeel like Sunnis...

Isa is not Jesus, and Salaboh is not crossing it is not the + thing....

Uhh, what?       

[The Dreamer]

Peace,

I suggest you read the articles on the following sites.

http://www.freewebs.com/nadqur/
http://www.freewebs.com/nadqur/Verse4-159.htm

May Allah guide us all to the truth.

That article fails to explain away my point: that the Qur'an clearly implies that Isa has not died yet. "Before his death": what else could that mean bro?

[Eikonoklastes]

That article fails to explain away my point: that the Qur'an clearly implies that Isa has not died yet. "Before his death": what else could that mean bro?

Peace,

The article clarifies the meaning of certain parts of the verse in order for the whole thing to make sense in context to what was being talked about in the previous verses (4:157-158). Once we realize this, we come to this conclusion:

"All of the People of the Book will most certainly believe in this (that Jesus died on the cross) before his (actual) death. And on the day of Judgment he will be a witness against them."

"In other words, the verse can be illustrated as: The Jews and the Christians will continue to believe that Jesus died on the cross but he died later on and not at the time of crucifixion. The message of the Quran has exposed this truth. On the day of resurrection he will be a witness against them. " (http://www.freewebs.com/nadqur/Verse4-159.htm)

The "before his death" has to be read in context. Nothing indicates that he has yet to die. It means the People of the Book will believe Jesus died on the cross, before he actually died (which was later on, and not at the time of his crucifixion). In other words, the People of the Book thought Jesus died before he REALLY died.

I hope that clarified it. Furthermore:

3:144 Muhammad is no more than a Rasul, surely the Rasuls before him have already passed away. If then he dies or be killed, will you turn upon your heels?

Peace.

[The Dreamer]

Peace,

The article clarifies the meaning of certain parts of the verse in order for the whole thing to make sense in context to what was being talked about in the previous verses (4:157-158). Once we realize this, we come to this conclusion:

"All of the People of the Book will most certainly believe in this (that Jesus died on the cross) before his (actual) death. And on the day of Judgment he will be a witness against them."

"In other words, the verse can be illustrated as: The Jews and the Christians will continue to believe that Jesus died on the cross but he died later on and not at the time of crucifixion. The message of the Quran has exposed this truth. On the day of resurrection he will be a witness against them. " (http://www.freewebs.com/nadqur/Verse4-159.htm)

The "before his death" has to be read in context. Nothing indicates that he has yet to die. It means the People of the Book will believe Jesus died on the cross, before he actually died (which was later on, and not at the time of his crucifixion). In other words, the People of the Book thought Jesus died before he REALLY died.

I hope that clarified it. Furthermore:

3:144 Muhammad is no more than a Rasul, surely the Rasuls before him have already passed away. If then he dies or be killed, will you turn upon your heels?

Peace.

Ah, I understand now.

Thank you for clarifying my misunderstanding 

[SeekingYou]

Uhh, what?       

Why did you rename the word "The book" in to the Torah/Engeel?

And The word Salaboh is not  "crucify him".

Look:قَالَ آمَنتُمْ لَهُ قَبْلَ أَنْ آذَنَ لَكُمْ إِنَّهُ لَكَبِيرُكُمُ الَّذِي عَلَّمَكُمُ السِّحْرَ فَلَأُقَطِّعَنَّ أَيْدِيَكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُم مِّنْ خِلافٍ وَلَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ فِي جُذُوعِ النَّخْلِ وَلَتَعْلَمُنَّ أَيُّنَا أَشَدُّ عَذَابًا وَأَبْقَى

look: "You believed him before I gave you permission. Indeed, he is your leader who has taught you magic. So I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will aslobonakom in the trunks of palm trees, and you will surely know which of us is more severe in [giving] punishment and more enduring

how will he crucify them after cutting off their hands and feet? how?? and how will he Crucify them IN the palm tree not ON??

[Eikonoklastes]

Ah, I understand now.

Thank you for clarifying my misunderstanding 

Peace,

The events surrounding Jesus can be quite difficult to understand at times, but those websites have helped me immensely. 

May peace be with you.

[loxbox13]

the trick is played in the arabic language
the quran isn't in arabic language,  but lissan arabi (masculine) , may be interpreted arab tongue
reading the quran through arabic dictionnary is the biggest mistake the whole muslim made,  you want to understand the quran,  you have to learn more than arabic language,  englih/frensh/spanish
the language of the quran, is the  ASMAA  that allah thaught the 1st men, 
from the language of the quran, sprang all languages,  if you accept this theory, and make a research of the quran in all languages , you be stunned ,  and than you realise that not a single word is left in it's meaning from the quran.
I give an exemple :
the word
SABR ,  is arabic dictianneries , it means patience   ,  so let's look at this word is every language
Frensh = Sobre  , English = Sober,  spanish/italian = Sobre  ....  so in evey language, Sober means  been sober ,  except in arabic language, means passiv patience???  strange
Ina allah yuhubou sabirine  ,  ALLAH LOVES THOSE WHO ARE SOBER  -makes more sense than allah love who are patient-
another exemple
Quistuce
word looks like this one in other languages is 
eng=Justice   , Fr=Justice  Sp = Justice   
when you translate Quistace into justice ,  the verse  quistace mustaqueem   makes perfect sense to means the upright justice,  while in arabic they say it is a persian word,  even though allah says  QURAN ARABIC.  meaning every word is init's original arabic tngue.
when you do all this, you will realise that we understand the quran backward, than you will  understand clearly that ISA is dead, he will not come back, and best of all, he wasn't born of a virgin but a father like everyone else.  look for the word ROOH , you will realise that jesus had a father.
salam