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Student of Allah

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Salam all,

I received the following message from a brother in the forum who was highly concerned about my forum name "Student of Allah"

The message ( in red ):
Al Salam alukom

How you doing first?

Your nick name took my attention, as you know my friend that we should be following the Ancestors, and as far as a know that we can be called the students of the profit, and that the teaches isn't from the names of Allah, but from his names the All-Knowing (Aleem), and that the scholars and the ancestors never used this name before (Student of Allah) كل خير في إتباع من سلف و كل شر في إبتداع من خلف  (All the good things in following the ancestors and all the evil at the Innovation of the successors), And Allah knows much better.


My open response:

1. I did not get the part about following ancestors ? What do you mean my brother , are you saying that the prophets should have been idol worshiper as their ancestors ? or do you mean that I should not ride a Lamborghini because my forefathers rode camels ? or you mean that you should not use the internet because your ancestors have not used it ?

2. Now comes the part of explaining my name "Student of Allah". Even though its pretty much straight forward, some people do need explanations. We agree that Allah explains the Qur'an. We know that Allah teaches us by the Pen(knowledge). We know that Allah allows us to learn , otherwise it would be impossible for us to even understand that we exist. Allah's words inspired me to explore so many areas of science and human psychology etc. Allah is my teacher, without His will, not a single atom in my brain would function. So my primary teacher is the teacher of the worlds, the source of knowledge, Allah. I have absolute faith that this teacher does not teach me the wrong thing.

Now if your scholars are afraid to give all the credits to Allah, why not go and question them instead ?

May Allah guide us all

PEACE

------ Student of Allah

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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 05:04:24 PM »
Who cares?  You don't have to answer to anyone.  Your name does not violate any forum rules.

In short, screw the guy who sent you the PM.

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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2011, 07:54:58 PM »
Peace

I'm suprised he did not send me such a message.

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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 05:10:07 AM »
Al Salam alukom

Will first. The profit said"خير القرون قرني ثم الذين يلونهم ثم الذين يلونهم" which means that the best people at all times are the people at the time of the profit, then the people who followed them at the second century and then the third.

Allah said:
{والسابقون الأولون من المهاجرين والأنصار والذين اتبعوهم بإحسان رضي الله عنهم ورضوا عنه وأعد لهم جنات تجري تحتها الأنهار خالدين فيها أبدا ذلك الفوز العظيم}
The vanguard (of Islam) the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds, well pleased is God with them, as are they with him: for them hath he prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity

قال مالك رحمه الله :لا يُصلح آخر هذه الأمة إلا ما أصلح أولَها
Al Imam Malik Said:Nothing is good for the latter generations of this ummah except that which was good for its first generations.

Which means that the religion is complete, and that the ancestors have told us all the religion, and that before we say or do something at religion we should see what they did first.

And as you see here we aren't speaking about life issues, when the profit said كل بدعة ضلالة "All innovations are innovations of misguidance". which means innovations at religion not life issues.

I wasn't speaking about the nick name specifically, but about a method and a way.

Allah said "ادع إلى سبيل ربك بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة وجادلهم بالتي هي أحسن إن ربك هو أعلم بمن ضل عن سبيله وهو أعلم بالمهتدين"

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from his path, and who receive guidance

And regarding our relationship between us and Allah, it isn't a relation between a student and a teacher, it is a relation between a slave and a creator, the profit the best man at all, said i am only a slave of Allah and his profit.

Allah said:
هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُوا مِن قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ

It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;(Jumah62:2)

So as you can see that Allah sent to us a profit, and the profit is the one who instructed and taught us.

finally
قال ربيعة الرأي و هو ابن أبي عبد الرحمن الناس في حجور علمائهم كالصبيان في حجور أبائهم شرح الطحاوية ص ١٠٥ تحقيق الألباني رحمه الله

which means people to their scholars like kids to their fathers.


 

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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 05:23:56 AM »
"his signs" yes. The verses of the Quran, is the instruction.
Paradox Void is the infinitely superior.

Paradox Void is an attribute of God, or any other entity it should point to, which is the same entity.
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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 07:26:45 AM »
The religion is so complete we don't need to think. 'Them before thy brains!'

Ever read the seerah (of the Prophet, not the profit)? Remember "Lion of Allah", "Sword of Allah"? And here's someone using the ID "Student of Allah"...

What is your argument really? To follow the Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah, 1st gen?

Welcome!


(this post is for the newcomer, peace on you too)


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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 08:53:35 AM »
Follow the righteous ancestors..

Yes I'm so familiar with this kind of bunch.. and their jargons..
They're the 'Salaful Al-Salih'.. (The pious predecessors) the yet another sectarian branch of a sectarian group called sunnism...
Albeit they themselves reject 'sectarianism' (read: other groups are sectarians while they are not sectarian, although they themselves show the characteristics of sectarian themselves)

Within their group they also split into smaller smaller multiple groups...
Among those groups there are those who are crazily obsessed with 'salvation from Mahdi' ideas. They managed to do a 'mini rebellion'..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_Seizure

Ignore them.. your nick are fine...

Salam / Peace
The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
9:97

And yes it's written as Al-Arabu and not Al-Badawi or Badawiyun..
*For those who had a hard time accepting this fact..

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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 09:50:04 AM »
Follow the righteous ancestors..

Yes I'm so familiar with this kind of bunch.. and their jargons..
They're the 'Salaful Al-Salih'.. (The pious predecessors) the yet another sectarian branch of a sectarian group called sunnism...
Albeit they themselves reject 'sectarianism' (read: other groups are sectarians while they are not sectarian, although they themselves show the characteristics of sectarian themselves)

Within their group they also split into smaller smaller multiple groups...
Among those groups there are those who are crazily obsessed with 'salvation from Mahdi' ideas. They managed to do a 'mini rebellion'..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_Seizure

Ignore them.. your nick are fine...

Salam / Peace

Al Salam alukom

I will not continue in this argument, because some of you have gone away from the right way of argument, and aren't behaved with the manners of the prophet peace upon him in argument.

But i want to say one last thing to Jafar.

Beware of what you say about Allah, and learn before you speak, what i mean by this, what you said:

The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
9:97


Allah never said Arabs, but he said "الأعراب" Nomads. And there is a big difference between them if you knew.





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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 10:45:04 AM »
The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
9:97
Allah never said Arabs, but he said "الأعراب" Nomads. And there is a big difference between them if you knew.

Come on don't kid me...
It does said 'Al A'rabu"... it doesn't said Nomads..
Linguistically Arab / Arav means 'desert'.. in ancient semitic language.. The Arab / Arav in reference to people mean 'desert folks'..
But certainly it's far away from Nomads ("Those who are wandering / doesn't have any fixed settlement")..

The notion of "Arab" as race / people doesn't exist until recently, this century to be exact... due to the 'arab nationalism' movement, if that what you meant by "Arabs" that is...
Just like the notion of "Indians" as a race / people also doesn't exist until recently...

Salam / Peace
The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
9:97

And yes it's written as Al-Arabu and not Al-Badawi or Badawiyun..
*For those who had a hard time accepting this fact..

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Re: Response to a message I received regarding my forum title
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 11:55:11 AM »
Come on don't kid me...
It does said 'Al A'rabu"... it doesn't said Nomads..
Linguistically Arab / Arav means 'desert'.. in ancient semitic language.. The Arab / Arav in reference to people mean 'desert folks'..
But certainly it's far away from Nomads ("Those who are wandering / doesn't have any fixed settlement")..

The notion of "Arab" as race / people doesn't exist until recently, this century to be exact... due to the 'arab nationalism' movement, if that what you meant by "Arabs" that is...
Just like the notion of "Indians" as a race / people also doesn't exist until recently...

Salam / Peace

First of all the verse says "الأعراب" and there is a difference between arab "عرب" and Nomads "أعراب"

﴿الاٌّعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ كُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلاَّ يَعْلَمُواْ حُدُودَ مَآ أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ

(The Nomads are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to not know the limits which Allah has revealed to His Messenger.)

That the first thing.

The second thing:

The Arabs aren't a recent nation as you said.

The arabs are divided into more than one type, and they exist before ismail son of ibrahim peace upon them, and they are divided of pure arabs (originally from yemen) and (عرب مستعربه) which means became arabs and weren't originally arabs.

And if you said that in the verse that it means that the people who lives at the desert, so in this way you are insulting the companions and the first generation.

And the profit said "لا فرق بين عربي ولا اعجمي الا بالتقوى" (there is no difference between an Arab and an Ajam (not an Arab), only by goodness”.             )


So at the end there is a big difference between arabs, at which the profit is one of them, and the Nomads whom where mentioned at the verse


Pre Islamic Arabia:

The Arabian Peninsula was largely arid and volcanic, making agriculture difficult except near oases or springs. The landscape was thus dotted with towns and cities, two prominent ones being Mecca and Medina. Medina was a large flourishing agricultural settlement, while Mecca was an important financial center for many surrounding tribes.[33] Communal life was essential for survival in the desert conditions, as people needed support against the harsh environment and lifestyle. Tribal grouping was encouraged by the need to act as a unit, this unity being based on the bond of kinship by blood.[34] Indigenous Arabs were either nomadic or sedentary, the former constantly travelling from one place to another seeking water and pasture for their flocks, while the latter settled and focused on trade and agriculture. Nomadic survival was also dependent on raiding caravans or oases, the nomads not viewing this as a crime.[35][36]

In pre-Islamic Arabia, gods or goddesses were viewed as protectors of individual tribes, their spirits being associated with sacred trees, stones, springs and wells. As well as being the site of an annual pilgrimage, the Kaaba shrine in Mecca housed 360 idol statues of tribal patron deities. Aside from these gods, the Arabs shared a common belief in a supreme deity called Allah (literally "the god"), who was remote from their everyday concerns and thus not the object of cult or ritual. Three goddesses were associated with Allah as his daughters: Allāt, Manāt and al-‘Uzzá. Monotheistic communities existed in Arabia, including Christians and Jews.[37] Hanifs – native pre-Islamic Arab monotheists – are also sometimes listed alongside Jews and Christians in pre-Islamic Arabia, although their historicity is disputed amongst scholars.[38][39] According to Muslim tradition, Muhammad himself was a Hanif and one of the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham.

See this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad