Theory of Evolution anyone ?

[uq]

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I too, with respect to my position, am still evolving.

[pi]

Hi!
I don't think evolution is completely understood.  We sometimes get to see mutations in animals (it is more common than survival of the fittest). Animals with mutations that effects their colour higher rate of survival than expected.

[Recluse]

My opinion is simply that mutations and natural selection can't create anything without any sort of intelligent guidence or intervention in the process. Regardless of how many "billions of years" pass. The information in the DNA alone is enough evidence because from our human experience we know that information can't come into existence without a programmer/designer/creator. You don't have to see the software engineer to know that a particular software was designed (created) by someone.

[huruf]

This Darwinian thing gets me sick. It is like any other religion. You believe in it or do not believe in it.

There were evolution theories before Darwin not only amongst the islamic civilisations, but also in the western civilisations and there is also the quantic evolution theory. When the study of the history of beings gets rid of the Darwin taint, we may get to talk seriously about it.

Darwin stardom is a brainwashing tool just as any other and makes sure that any talk about evolution, which is a fact of existence, is tainted by the "survival of the fittest" and all against all, philosophy which si very much the thinking code of conquering empires.

Salaam

[glorytothegracious]

The way I try to understand the universe is to build off of the verses in the Qur'an.  29:20 Say, "Roam the earth and observe how the creation was initiated. Then God will establish the final design. God is capable of all things." How do I know how the creation was initiated? I find the verse 21:30 which says the heavens and earth were joined together then split or disjoined. This is clear to me that God caused the Big Bang. I read 32:7-10 The One who perfected everything He created and He began the creation of the human from clay. Then He made his offspring from a structure derived from an insignificant liquid. Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful. They said, "When we are buried in the ground, will we be created anew?" Indeed, they reject the meeting of their Lord.
So I build from there. Understand the nature of clay, understand human embryology, and accept only what agrees with the Qur'an.

[Ahmad Bilal]

Peace, huruf.

This Darwinian thing gets me sick. It is like any other religion. You believe in it or do not believe in it.

This is nonsensical. There is a vast amount of evidence to support Darwin's conclusion concerning evolution by natural selection. Can you say this same thing with regards to the world's religions and their 'creation' stories (myths)? Are you saying that we should reject what the verifiable evidence points to, with regard to biological evolution? Instead, we should believe what a 7th-century book tells us concerning the 'creation' process, even though there's no evidence to support it?

Think about it...

Peace,

Ahmad

[Ahmad Bilal]

Peace, glorytothegracious.

The way I try to understand the universe is to build off of the verses in the Qur'an.  29:20 Say, "Roam the earth and observe how the creation was initiated. Then God will establish the final design. God is capable of all things." How do I know how the creation was initiated? I find the verse 21:30 which says the heavens and earth were joined together then split or disjoined. This is clear to me that God caused the Big Bang. I read 32:7-10 The One who perfected everything He created and He began the creation of the human from clay. Then He made his offspring from a structure derived from an insignificant liquid. Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful. They said, "When we are buried in the ground, will we be created anew?" Indeed, they reject the meeting of their Lord.
So I build from there. Understand the nature of clay, understand human embryology, and accept only what agrees with the Qur'an.

That doesn't sound biased and unsound to you?

Have you ever considered the possible conclusion that, perhaps, the Quran is wrong? Or are you willing to blindly accept whatever it says, regardless of what the evidence points to? The Islamic prophet Jesus speaks of this idea in the Bible, in case you were unaware:

"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." (Matt. 15:14)

If your only source of information rests in "blind" belief and conviction, then you have already fallen into a "ditch" (or pit) of ignorance; and as long as you are unwilling to "see", or recognize the [verifiable] truth, you are merely leading others to this same pit, causing them to stumble and fall in the same ditch that you fell into. Maybe that leaves something to think about...

Peace,

Ahmad

[huruf]

Peace, huruf.

This is nonsensical. There is a vast amount of evidence to support Darwin's conclusion concerning evolution by natural selection. Can you say this same thing with regards to the world's religions and their 'creation' stories (myths)? Are you saying that we should reject what the verifiable evidence points to, with regard to biological evolution? Instead, we should believe what a 7th-century book tells us concerning the 'creation' process, even though there's no evidence to support it?

Think about it...

Peace,

Ahmad

So for you there is just that Darwin racist classist would be scientist or religions of the 7th century? That is it? That is all you know? That is indeed very little. You should read and search a little more and learn from real scientists, not an ideologist like Darwin, and what an ideology.

Salaam

[Ahmad Bilal]

Peace, huruf.

So for you there is just that Darwin racist classist would be scientist or religions of the 7th century? That is it? That is all you know? That is indeed very little. You should read and search a little more and learn from real scientists, not an ideologist like Darwin, and what an ideology.

Whether Charles Darwin was "racist" or not is of little concern to me. I'm not a 'follower' of Darwin, nor do I take his words to be "divine" in some sense... I'm talking specifically about the theory of evolution by natural selection. Again, all of the modern scientific evidence points to this conclusion. There are thousands of creation stories throughout the world, and there have been millions of them throughout history. In each one, the prescribed god of the people was the one who somehow formed (shaped, created) everything in existence. Yet, not one of these stories can be substantiated by scientific evidence or investigation.

Which creation story are you saying that we should follow - the one written in a 7th century religious book; the one written in the Bible, which predates the Quran by several centuries; the one written on Indian and Mesopotamian sculptures; the one scribed on the walls of ancient Egyptian and Nubian pyramids; or should we accept the rational conclusion that all of the scientific evidence points to?

Peace,

Ahmad

[Man of Faith]

Salaam Ahmad Bilal,

Science is not always right and there are many uncertainties regarding creation. Despite this we cannot argue that there has not been an evolution, but spiritualists believe this is controlled by God in one way or another. The direction of evolution is believed to be controlled by the one referred to as God.

Religion does not mean you have to disregard the evolution or the things which can be proved by science. Religion on the other hand cannot be verified by science and has only to do with Faith. You cannot verify God because there are no ways to prove the existence with the instruments or measurements available. It has only to do with believe in the unseen.

Your individual life and experiences can lead to a Faith. But you cannot gauge God's doings because the force is invisible and not of this realm, to a believer.

Even in my religion the world is eternal, energy does not just disappear as you said. The same goes for the energy of a soul in my opinion.

Hope you respect my Faith and understand I am humbly accepting your critical eyes.

God bless you