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[good logic]

Peace PeteWaldo.

Please let me clarify for you,once more, that I am not a "Traditional Muslim", you are asking me questions that arise out of bad misunderstanding of Qoran and a false religion with false tales and doctrines.

Also for some unknown reason, you believe these contradictions and bad translations, without studying/checking Qoran and finding out what it really says!!

A vast number of the Islamic doctrines are strangely absent in the Koran. They are, however, profusely enshrined in the Hadith and their prominence is supported in Islamic laws .

Historian Will Durant tells us that the Christian Church took over some religious customs and forms prevailing among the pagans in pre-Christian Rome. The vestments of pagan priests, use of incense and holy water in purification, burning of candles, light before the altar and more importantly the law of Rome as a basis for Christian Canon Law.

The Jews once found the Mosaic laws, despite its wealth of details, insufficient itself without the assistance of case laws and traditions. Eventually, the Talmud (oral law) arose to supply this need.

The "Traditional Muslims" have done the same with Hadith .

Like Judaism and Christianity before it, idol worshipping  has stealthily mounted on all Islamic edicts behind the shield of a boasting Sunnah and hadith.

This is a forbidden dictum in Qoran.

Please browse  : http://www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/

We will ,no doubt ,discuss some more truth v falsehood.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

[FreedomStands]

PeteWaldo! It is clear from your work you are a warrior, and I really admire how you've written and your style!

To assist you in spiritual combat here on this website against the forces of evil, it should perhaps be noted the people on this website "free-minds" are not "traditional muslims", they do not generally follow the Hadith collections or believe in them.

They are a group that consider themselves for the most part "Qur'anists", people who follow the Qur'an only, like Protestant Christians pretty much but for Islam instead. Sola scriptura.

They have a variety of very diverse views from each other in some cases regarding the details of practice, but they generally all hold the Qur'an as an important text which they look to for guidance or justification.

So they might not respond normally to attacks on the Hadith or traditions regarding Muhammed.

I'm informing you of this so that you might be able to adjust your comments to them in a way that targets their particular nature which differs from the mainstream Muslims.

Generally this website is composed of variations of monotheists and possibly some atheists.

Some of them actually like the Bible quite a bit, possibly more than some mainstream Muslims, so you could try to use the Bible even, but they do not have the normal interpretations often in any case.

I wish you luck in your endeavor and hope that you are able to bring some light to them as a bringer of the good news.

Your intentions are surely good, as you are still taking the time to try to see them saved, like the Muslims who left Islam.

I'll be watching your work closely and enjoying it!

Thank you for taking the time to come to this website and face people directly.

One of the most prolific posters on the website is Man of Faith, you may want to discuss things with him as well in public, he leans more towards Gnostic beliefs.

The challenge is not too much, there aren't that many people currently on this website, and you'll hopefully be able to confound them all in the manner of the Apostle Paul and others.

It won't be hard to bring out their tempers, but if you can use precise attacks to expose their weaknesses you'll do well. It is like battling dragons, they all have a weak spot!

About your current adversary, good logic, he used to be a Christian and much of his family still may be Christian. He has read the Bible quite a bit and took preference to the Qur'an instead. He is a person who seems to be genuine and sincere, so a lost sheep more than a wolf in sheep's clothing, but God knows. He might not believe in the Hadith traditions fully like most on this website, so approaching him with those arguments might not work.

I hope this information will assist you in your noble battle against the wicked and lost, and perhaps you will be part of leading even one to goodness, love, and the good news.

[good logic]

Peace FreedomStands.

Only those who are GOD s adversary are also my adversary.

Also for your information and everybody else s information, Jesus has already come to "the lost sheep". I happen to accept him as GOD s Messenger,Messiah and prophet. I do not make any distinction between any of GOD s prophets and Messengers. I believe in the main message they brought.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

[hawk99]

Peace PeteWaldo, as a former Christian I found Christianity to
to be lacking where Islam made sense. 

Son of God?   

Easter = eastern star pagan rites   

Resurrection?   

Soldiers killed     God's son!

Soldiers stab God's son

God's son forced to walk with cross on his back

Gospels disagree

Women cover hair 

Cannot enter paradise unless you accept Jesus as your lord and savior   

Christmas

Abandon Jesus at a time of need

Women blamed for original sin

Christian fanaticism

What do you find wrong with Christianity?


God bless


                         

[FreedomStands]

Peace FreedomStands.

Only those who are GOD s adversary are also my adversary.

Also for your information and everybody else s information, Jesus has already come to "the lost sheep". I happen to accept him as GOD s Messenger,Messiah and prophet. I do not make any distinction between any of GOD s prophets and Messengers. I believe in the main message they brought.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Yep! I was careful with my words! I think you know what I'm up to!

Ding ding!

Let the battle begin!

Know that there is honor on the battlefield, and the noblest of you is the one who fears God most and is the most just and right, promoter of truth.

In this action of virtuous combat, both you and Pete might train yourself and sharpen yourselves in the cause of goodness.

Whoever is the evil one (haha we know who that is lol), will in their combat heap infamy and sin upon themselves, and the virtuous one (we know who that is too lol), will shine EVEN if bludgeoned and bloodied and left dead in the mud.

Thus, the righteous always win, even if martyred or appear to lose, they are the shining ones.

When an opportunity for virtuous spiritual battle is brought to you, take up arms and fight in the cause of God, the Truth, the Way, and the Life.

Pete will do so also, as best as he knows how, and in the end, the King decides who fought most honorably and in the right, regardless of any immediate appearances or results.

With every slash, every hit, every attack, merit coins fly up, some are lost and some are gained, and there is no time to check whose pocket they fell from and into whose pocket they went!

Fight on!

Pete wants to save you and at least teach those viewing about the evils of Islam and the truth about Christ.

You (what is your name?), good logic, want to speak the truth and righteousness, and should do so for your own sake, you may not have any particular interest in saving Pete and bringing him to Islam (since you can't, so the least you can do is speak what you think is best).

In the end, neither of you may change, but many blows should be exchanged in the meantime, and many coins of merit dispersed among you.

In fact, this event may end up a practical robbery of merit for the one who is most righteous (known to me already).

Cross your sword and scimitar, and let the battle rage on!

Pete will teach you a lesson! Can you stand it!?

[FreedomStands]

Peace PeteWaldo, as a former Christian I found Christianity to
to be lacking where Islam made sense. 

Son of God?   

Easter = eastern star pagan rites   

Resurrection?   

Soldiers killed     God's son!

Soldiers stab God's son

God's son forced to walk with cross on his back

Gospels disagree

Women cover hair 

Cannot enter paradise unless you accept Jesus as your lord and savior   

Christmas

Abandon Jesus at a time of need

Women blamed for original sin

Christian fanaticism

What do you find wrong with Christianity?


God bless


                         

Holy Gorgonzoli! You were a Christian? I thought you were born into a Muslim household! I didn't know!

You've entered the fray! Pete! Are you willing to take on two foes!?

This is hawk99! Let me tell you about him! He is a staunch Muslim, more traditional than most on this website, he performs the "pagan acrobatics" of Muslim worship practices, and defends them! He fasts! He promotes the Qur'an! He would generally be recognized among the mainstream Muslims as a Muslim! His beliefs are pretty Islamic and might only waver slightly from the traditional views in some matters that are probably trivial.

He and good logic are among some of the more traditional styled Muslims yet they are still probably not very fond of the Hadith.

Both of them are apparently former Christians who converted to Islam!

Pete! Make their folly clear to them if you can! They already have the background, they just need some pushes that appeal to logic and reason.

First you may need to define what it is to be a Christian in a summarized and easy to comprehend way. When you do that, like a checklist of what it is to be a Christian and what must be believed and why, then they will know each and every thing they must do to be saved by the blood of Christ and born anew as a child of God. They are probably lacking in the knowledge of what it is to be a Christian truly, so maybe you can tell them?

Once that is made clear, they may tell you what it is to be a Muslim, and then the lines are drawn on the field clearly.

You can then tell them, based on what they say it is to be a Muslim and why, how it is wrong to say and do what they are saying and doing.

They will then perhaps try to tell you what and how they believe is wrong about what you are saying and doing.

God is the witness, and all the followers of Christ are truly fighters in the cause of God. They faced trials and spoke to the people and speak out against evil and wrongness.

Speak out against this Luciferian doctrine of the Qur'an and its Demon God of Evil.

Love will surely conquer Evil and the Power of Death and Destruction which they worship.

Some of them claim God controls all good and all evil even!

[Farabi]

Yep! I was careful with my words! I think you know what I'm up to!

Ding ding!

Let the battle begin!

Know that there is honor on the battlefield, and the noblest of you is the one who fears God most and is the most just and right, promoter of truth.

In this action of virtuous combat, both you and Pete might train yourself and sharpen yourselves in the cause of goodness.

Whoever is the evil one (haha we know who that is lol), will in their combat heap infamy and sin upon themselves, and the virtuous one (we know who that is too lol), will shine EVEN if bludgeoned and bloodied and left dead in the mud.

Thus, the righteous always win, even if martyred or appear to lose, they are the shining ones.

When an opportunity for virtuous spiritual battle is brought to you, take up arms and fight in the cause of God, the Truth, the Way, and the Life.

Pete will do so also, as best as he knows how, and in the end, the King decides who fought most honorably and in the right, regardless of any immediate appearances or results.

With every slash, every hit, every attack, merit coins fly up, some are lost and some are gained, and there is no time to check whose pocket they fell from and into whose pocket they went!

Fight on!

Pete wants to save you and at least teach those viewing about the evils of Islam and the truth about Christ.

You (what is your name?), good logic, want to speak the truth and righteousness, and should do so for your own sake, you may not have any particular interest in saving Pete and bringing him to Islam (since you can't, so the least you can do is speak what you think is best).

In the end, neither of you may change, but many blows should be exchanged in the meantime, and many coins of merit dispersed among you.

In fact, this event may end up a practical robbery of merit for the one who is most righteous (known to me already).

Cross your sword and scimitar, and let the battle rage on!

Pete will teach you a lesson! Can you stand it!?

What the bloody hell man, is that even a parable? I think you read too much about Judaism, or Islamism or hadists.

39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
New International Version (NIV)

Zheeesh man, are you even seriously reconsider yourself as a love religions? I know life is hard. Each time we had a good intentions, we always had obstacle. But claiming your self as a religions of love with out even knew about your religions? Give me a break will ya.

Do you even know about this quran verse?

Ibrahim surrah(Forget where is the verse number)
Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, [making] a good word like a good tree, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches [high] in the sky?

Mattews 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

[FreedomStands]

What the bloody hell man, is that even a parable? I think you read too much about Judaism, or Islamism or hadists.

Zheeesh man, are you even seriously reconsider yourself as a love religions? I know life is hard. Each time we had a good intentions, we always had obstacle. But claiming your self as a religions of love with out even knew about your religions? Give me a break will ya.

lol maybe you get what I was typing here then.

[Farabi]

lol maybe you get what I was typing here then.

Which part? Judaism or Islamism? Or Life was hard? I dont really know about your personality, it might be a joke.

[Farabi]

Nothing to do with the Quran a least the way western peacenick apostate hypocrites practice Islam, as if it were a religion of peace, as opposed to fundamental orthodox Muslims that GET the Quran and do what Muhammad did and commanded his followers to do, as already explained in prior posts.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Ah I get what FreedomStance mean,
Ok Pete, let's say we're an atheis. We're an hedonist. Not a believer of God. Do you even consider to make us interested to your religion's by conflict? Why cant we see the bigger picture. We just need to make society to be good, that is all. What is the big deal to make people faithfull? You live in mexico, where everyone is religous but had no second thought about bounding people to drugs and squeeze them? That is what happened when you focusing on faith. Ok, I get it, you're on a country which is democrasy was great, sure, and your decide everything by voting. Nothing wrong in there. But, should you worry over quantity than quality?

Get the bigger picture. I dont care about your faith, what I care is my society do a good things for me, that is all.

And here is a good read for your answer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context