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Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« on: April 19, 2011, 07:54:16 pm »
Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa (The Women)

Sahih International: And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness.

Pickthall: There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them -

Yusuf Ali: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

Shakir: And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them.

Muhammad Sarwar: There will be no one among the People of the Book who will not believe (a belief of no value) in him (Jesus) before their deaths. On the Day of Judgment, (Jesus) will testify against them.

Mohsin Khan: And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being], before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them.

Arberry: There is not one of the People of the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them.



so does this indicate that isa is not dead and will come to earth as a sign of qayamat..???  please help...
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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2011, 09:06:01 pm »
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so does this indicate that isa is not dead and will come to earth as a sign of qayamat..Huh?  please help...

Salaam Dear drsam,

I draw your attention to verse 3:7 in The Qur'aan. Besides, the truth of this matter is of one of the hidden ones. It is not one of the MUHKAMAAT either. I recommend that you just believe in it and do not delve into it trying to find its TA'VEEL/hidden meaning, just as The Qur'aan commends us to do so. Getting involve into these sorts of matters do not really solve anything from us and on the other hand creates controversies and confusion and at the end does not get us anywhere. We as the next to nothing servants of ALLAAH SWT have no saying regarding MUTASHAABIHAAT.

The Qur'aan verse 3:7    

هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ مِنۡهُ ءَايَـٰتٌ۬ مُّحۡكَمَـٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـٰبِهَـٰتٌ۬‌ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمۡ زَيۡغٌ۬ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـٰبَهَ مِنۡهُ ٱبۡتِغَآءَ ٱلۡفِتۡنَةِ وَٱبۡتِغَآءَ تَأۡوِيلِهِۦ‌ۗ وَمَا يَعۡلَمُ تَأۡوِيلَهُ ۥۤ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ‌ۗ وَٱلرَّٲسِخُونَ فِى ٱلۡعِلۡمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّ۬ مِّنۡ عِندِ رَبِّنَا‌ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُوْلُواْ ٱلۡأَلۡبَـٰب (٧

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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2011, 12:17:45 am »
Salaam bro,

Salaam Dear drsam,

I draw your attention to verse 3:7 in The Qur'aan. Besides, the truth of this matter is of one of the hidden ones. It is not one of the MUHKAMAAT either. I recommend that you just believe in it and do not delve into it trying to find its TA'VEEL/hidden meaning, just as The Qur'aan commends us to do so. Getting involve into these sorts of matters do not really solve anything from us and on the other hand creates controversies and confusion and at the end does not get us anywhere. We as the next to nothing servants of ALLAAH SWT have no saying regarding MUTASHAABIHAAT.

The Qur'aan verse 3:7    

هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ مِنۡهُ ءَايَـٰتٌ۬ مُّحۡكَمَـٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـٰبِهَـٰتٌ۬‌ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمۡ زَيۡغٌ۬ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـٰبَهَ مِنۡهُ ٱبۡتِغَآءَ ٱلۡفِتۡنَةِ وَٱبۡتِغَآءَ تَأۡوِيلِهِۦ‌ۗ وَمَا يَعۡلَمُ تَأۡوِيلَهُ ۥۤ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ‌ۗ وَٱلرَّٲسِخُونَ فِى ٱلۡعِلۡمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّ۬ مِّنۡ عِندِ رَبِّنَا‌ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُوْلُواْ ٱلۡأَلۡبَـٰب (٧

Peace,
Khalil

Agreed  :bravo:

I just wanted to add that the term "Ahl AlKitaab" is only addressed to 'People of Musa(AS)' and 'People of Eisa(AS), if I am not mistaken, inshaAllah. And 4:159 used the same term.


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6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
 
3:51    إن الله ربي وربكم فاعبدوه هذا صرط مستقيم
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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2011, 03:14:06 pm »
Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa (The Women)

so does this indicate that isa is not dead and will come to earth as a sign of qayamat..???  please help...

Nothing in the text indicates as such.

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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 03:15:29 pm »

I just wanted to add that the term "Ahl AlKitaab" is only addressed to 'People of Musa(AS)' and 'People of Eisa(AS), if I am not mistaken, inshaAllah. And 4:159 used the same term.


May Allah guide us all to His only path  :pr
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No... 2:105 and 3:64 for starters.
You gotta follow the truth even it brings the whole thing crumbling down around you - Sam Tyler, Life on Mars (UK)

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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 03:21:02 pm »
Salaam Dear drsam,

I draw your attention to verse 3:7 in The Qur'aan. Besides, the truth of this matter is of one of the hidden ones. It is not one of the MUHKAMAAT either. I recommend that you just believe in it and do not delve into it trying to find its TA'VEEL/hidden meaning, just as The Qur'aan commends us to do so. Getting involve into these sorts of matters do not really solve anything from us and on the other hand creates controversies and confusion and at the end does not get us anywhere. We as the next to nothing servants of ALLAAH SWT have no saying regarding MUTASHAABIHAAT.

The Qur'aan verse 3:7    

هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيۡكَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ مِنۡهُ ءَايَـٰتٌ۬ مُّحۡكَمَـٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـٰبِهَـٰتٌ۬‌ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمۡ زَيۡغٌ۬ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـٰبَهَ مِنۡهُ ٱبۡتِغَآءَ ٱلۡفِتۡنَةِ وَٱبۡتِغَآءَ تَأۡوِيلِهِۦ‌ۗ وَمَا يَعۡلَمُ تَأۡوِيلَهُ ۥۤ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ‌ۗ وَٱلرَّٲسِخُونَ فِى ٱلۡعِلۡمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّ۬ مِّنۡ عِندِ رَبِّنَا‌ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُوْلُواْ ٱلۡأَلۡبَـٰب (٧

Peace,
Khalil

I see 3:7 being abused like this way too often: Believe. Shut up. Don't ask questions. Your interpretation is wholly contradictory to the Quranic message. Moreover, this 'logic' can be applied to ANY topic.
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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 03:44:04 pm »
I just wanted to add that the term "Ahl AlKitaab" is only addressed to 'People of Musa(AS)' and 'People of Eisa(AS), if I am not mistaken, inshaAllah. And 4:159 used the same term.


The term "alkitaab" does not translate into "book" nor "scripture". It's a collection of subjects united by the same theme. If you are familiar with the books of fiqh, you will find that they are divided, not in chapters, but in "kitaabs" and hence "kitaab ul-sariqaat"...etc = book of theft or Cahpter on theft. Same thing as for ancient egyptian writtings and the famous "book of Death".  All messengers were given "the book", including Muhammad.

كَانَ النَّاسُ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً فَبَعَثَ اللَّـهُ النَّبِيِّينَ مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَأَنزَلَ مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ فِيمَا اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ
Translation:
Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; ....

 The one thing they were all given are the universal laws:  "the Straight Path" (chapter 6 verses 151-153) to Muhammad, and the Ten Commandments to Moses, called also "alkitaab".
Therefore, the people of "the book" are the people aware of the universal laws and abiding by them.
Please remember that words such as Judaism and Christianity or any title to whatever religion apart from peacefulness (islam in Arabic) do not exist in the qur'aan.

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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 02:51:54 pm »
Fascinating observation Samia, I hadn't thought of it like that before.
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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 04:00:02 pm »
peace Samia,

Nice to see you post.

Therefore, the people of "the book" are the people aware of the universal laws and abiding by them.

Have you ran this understanding through the occurrences within AQ and found it to hold weight?
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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 01:41:23 am »

People of the book are the Israelites (jews).
88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 03:44:53 am »
peace Samia,

Nice to see you post.

Have you ran this understanding through the occurrences within AQ and found it to hold weight?

Hello Wakas

Sorry for the belated response.
The term "torah" itself means "law" or "instructions".
In verse 6:154, immediately after the verses detailing the articles of the Straight Path, we read:

Moreover, We gave Moses the Book, completing (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining all things in detail...

Then, 6: 155 157:

And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy

Lest ye should say: "The Book was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study:"

Or lest ye should say: "If the Book had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its guidance better than they....."

And then verse 6: 158:

Those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

Therefore: One Book, One "religion".




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Re: Verse (4:159) Translation what does it mean???
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 10:12:53 pm »
21:8 We did not make for them bodies that do not need to eat, nor were they immortal.
21:34 We did not give immortality to any human that came before you. If you are going to die, would they be immortal 3:144 Muhammad is but a messenger, like many messengers that have passed before him. If he dies or gets killed, will you turn back on your heels? Whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least. God will reward the thankful. ?

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2014, 09:12:48 am »
Jesus was the most famous man in the world you'll know when he gets back it'll be a common names. ALLAH's word is true