Funny description of us - the hadith rejectors! :)

[hope4]

We also do not find any terminology as "Quranists" in Quran!

Selam

Quranists is a made up word to describe a sect just as sunni or Shia etc. I find these words to be associated with sects (6:159) and would rather be known as a Muslim (22:78).

Peace

[RA786]

Selam

Quranists is a made up word to describe a sect just as sunni or Shia etc. I find these words to be associated with sects (6:159) and would rather be known as a Muslim (22:78).

Peace

I second this motion!  or even better a "Mu'min"

[Jack]

Selam

Quranists is a made up word to describe a sect just as sunni or Shia etc. I find these words to be associated with sects (6:159) and would rather be known as a Muslim (22:78).

Peace

Peace,

Doesn't matter what you call yourself, hate mongers will still refer to you as quranist/that-satanic-cult-that-hates-the-prophet, hadith rejecter, nazi-lover, etc. On the WWW people sometimes use the word 'quranist' to identify a certain set of people they may connect or identify with. It is by no means a superficial label, a subdivision of Islam, or a sect.

but he traces the roots to some Jew by the name of Goldsmith who started all this (probably in Germany)..."

lolwut @ "probably in Germany"
TIL, Quranism traces its roots back to The Third Reich.

[hope4]

Peace,

Doesn't matter what you call yourself, hate mongers will still refer to you as quranist/that-satanic-cult-that-hates-the-prophet, hadith rejecter, nazi-lover, etc. On the WWW people sometimes use the word 'quranist' to identify a certain set of people they may connect or identify with. It is by no means a superficial label, a subdivision of Islam, or a sect.

Selam Jack

Actually it does matter what we call ourselves. If we accept their labels we are no better than them in splitting ourselves into sects. When people ask me who I am, I say I am a Muslim, nothing more and nothing less.

Peace

[rahenijaat1]

I second this motion!  or even better a "Mu'min"

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Salam and Peace on you!

Allah addressed "Ya ayu hal lazina Amanu", and liked for His obedient slaves (Momineen) the name "Muslim".

"Allah has named you Muslims (submitters) in the bygone days and in this(Quraan) also" (Al-Hajj-78)

A Muslim (who obeys) is always a Momin (who have Iman).----Or say, A Momin (who have Iman ) must be a Muslim (must obey).

And someone who does not obey, he is not even a Momin.

And they say: “We believe in Allah and in the Messenger, and we obey.” Then a faction of them turns away after that (turns away from obedience). And they are not those who believe (means they are not even momineen).  (Al-Noor-47)

[Raaajah]

rahenijaat1
they didn't have bukhari's collection of hadiths.   now, they did have the koran.  so, they became believers by following the koran. 

I told you to be careful before answering, but as usual you did not took care as many do not. This means, to get involved in a debate with a person who has no solid reasons to back up what he says is meaningless.

The Quran was revealed in 22 and half years approximately. The early Muslims were not due to Quran but due to the Messenger and his Moral. Allah choose a person who was unique/elevated/having best morals to spread his Message. Off course with few Ayats of Quran which could not even be understood without the explanation of the Messenger at initial stage no one was going to change in which he/they believed for centuries.     

[Raaajah]

justamuslim

the difference between you and me, rajaah is that you need/seek these stories of the prophet as your source of guidance, in addition or separate from the Quran.  whereas i choose instead to take the Quran as my source of guidance.  

I don't know in which world do you live in? just answer the following question and let me see where you stand
Why do you take Quran as your source of Guidance? (now don't answer it by funny answers such as "Because Quran says it so")

justamuslim

and the further difference between you and me is that you allege God told us to believe in these stories told by people.   whereas i clearly and absolutely make no such allegations about God.  

Did I? where? please mention the specific post! other wise an apology is due from you for telling a lie.

[Raaajah]

Hope4 and RA786

Selam
Quranists is a made up word to describe a sect just as sunni or Shia etc. I find these words to be associated with sects (6:159) and would rather be known as a Muslim (22:78).
Peace

Salaam
Praise be to Allah who teaches us every thing.

Selam Jack
Actually it does matter what we call ourselves. If we accept their labels we are no better than them in splitting ourselves into sects. When people ask me who I am, I say I am a Muslim, nothing more and nothing less.
Peace

Subhaan Allah

[Jack]

Selam Jack

Actually it does matter what we call ourselves. If we accept their labels we are no better than them in splitting ourselves into sects. When people ask me who I am, I say I am a Muslim, nothing more and nothing less.

Peace

Salam Hope,

You say it matters, but you don't really explain why. Unity for unity's sake is pretentious, and that IS division.
It's not about accepting their labels... I'm just wondering, calling yourself muslim as opposed to a quranist or a monotheist or whatever else, what does it change really? What's the point?

It's just a rather shallow view. Why does it matter what you call yourself?
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[rahenijaat1]

rahenijaat1
they didn't have bukhari's collection of hadiths.   now, they did have the koran.  so, they became believers by following the koran. 

I told you to be careful before answering, but as usual you did not took care as many do not. This means, to get involved in a debate with a person who has no solid reasons to back up what he says is meaningless.

Salam and Peace on you, nice brother!

The above quote in red is not mine.
I must keep quite.

The Quran was revealed in 22 and half years approximately. The early Muslims were not due to Quran but due to the Messenger and his Moral. Allah choose a person who was unique/elevated/having best morals to spread his Message. Off course with few Ayats of Quran which could not even be understood without the explanation of the Messenger at initial stage no one was going to change in which he/they believed for centuries.     

Good brother, Raaajah, I still didn't answer to your question.
But finally, you yourself, came up with the above quoted answer to your own question.------So now, tell, is your above quoted answer, a good reason to have Iman in Sahih Al-Bukhari as the second source of Islam, because the early Muslims heard a few Verses and believed, and (according to you) it was not due to Quran but due to the Messenger and his Moral???---So, this is your proof for having Iman in Imam Bukhari's book???

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Well, according to you, those early Muslims saw the Messenger and and his Moral, and believed in Al-Quran.

But, what about those people after the death of the Messenger,-----those people didn't see the Messenger and his Moral,-----so how did they believe in Al-Quran?
If seeing the Messenger and his Moral, is the reason that people did believe in Al-Quran, then why do people of our time believe in Al-Quran?

My nice brother, Raaajah,-----the Exalted Messenger brought such an Impressive Message of Allah, that It always appealed to people's intellect and reasoning. People could not deny The Truthfulness of Its Message.
That is the reason the Mushrikeen always tried to stop people from listening to the recitation of Al-Quran by the Messenger, saying that there is a magic in this Kalaam, and It will enchant you.

There are many non-muslims in the world (after the death of the Messenger), they read The Quran, and they, without seeing the Messenger and his Moral,  are convinced that This Exalted Book is The Truth, and they believe.

------"O mankind, there has indeed come to you the messenger (Muhammad) with The Truth from your Lord. So believe, (that is) better for you."  (Al-Nisaa-170)

-----"And follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord, before there comes upon you the punishment suddenly, while you do not perceive."  (Al-Zamur-55)

-----"And this (Quran) is a Book which We have revealed as a Blessing, so follow It and fear (Allah), that you may receive Mercy."  (Al-Anaam-155)

Allah didn't say follow the Messenger. Allah commanded us to follow His Quran, the way the Messenger himself followed Al-Quran.

If we had to follow the Messenger, then we would have needed the Messenger before us.
We would have needed to see him how he is doing everything in Islam. We would have needed to see him and talk to him.

The Messenger---And---The Message.
The Messenger brought The Message, gave it to his ummah, and passed away, by Allah's Will.

Now, the Messenger is not before us by Allah's Will,-----but-----The Message he brought, is before us by Allah's Will.
We can not see the Messenger by Allah's Will, but we can see The Message-----by Allah's Will.

We can only follow what we can see.
So, follow The Message that we can see.
This is, for sure, Allah's Will.

So,-------Say "Yes" to Allah's Will, and bow before Allah's Will.

Do we have Iman in our Allah?
Do we understand what is Allah's Will???


Peace on you.

Please, don't be angry. I am just a learner.
 
A lot of Peace on you and your loved-ones.