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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2011, 04:46:43 AM »
If that is what it is for you, I think you should not do it.

For other people i may be a reminder that God did address to us, that He, Most Merciful, manifested His Mercy on us, sending us His messengers with His message, that we are acknowledging that God does speak to us, His humble servants and cares for us. There is a relationship with God. We Muslims do not have alters, have the whole universe as an altar as a praying rug for all all the time. God is not far away or in any place special, we remember He does speak to us and tells us things, we salute and ask for His blessings on the messengers, on the message. Everything is a message from God, we must know. Everyone acknowledges as he or she thinks or feels best.

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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2011, 05:25:42 AM »
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Admiring someone by keep repeating some fixed words for him/her  day and night ,uttering the same fixed words for the person each time mentioning his/her name if not committing sin plus remembering the person beside God is worshiping.

true. but thats not what this thread is about. I praise the Prophet, just as i admire the rest of them...i read the bible to get any true glimpse of Jesus...i read the quran to get to know more about Muhammad, Abraham, Jesus, Moses...and i pray to be guided like they were. I appreciate them, and i dont see any signs of idol worship on this thread, so i think that your argument doesnt apply in this case.
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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2011, 11:05:25 AM »
rraza
I appreciate them, and i dont see any signs of idol worship on this thread, so i think that your argument doesnt apply in this case.

Eiliyah
There surely is a difference between paying respect to all the messengers, praising them or making idols of them, worshipping them.


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As regards the praise within parentheses, that is done in compliance to a separate order of Allah given to believers, and Alhamdo LiAllah I am a believer.   

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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2011, 12:06:37 PM »
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The translation that you’re using is wrong.

maqāman maḥmūdan is the station that is unknown to us .Whatever it is ,it’s a high rank which take place for prophet in Hereafter/Paradise……….Please reflect on the verse .God is asking prophet to meditate during night in order to attain that station……God doesn’t surely tell him to meditate on Him to be praised in this world by people…….Asana

There is no such thing. On the contrary there is a news of an happening.

وَمِنَ اللَّيْلِ فَتَهَجَّدْ بِهِ نَافِلَةً لَّكَ عَسَى أَن يَبْعَثَكَ رَبُّكَ مَقَامًا مَّحْمُودًا

And in the wee hours of the night wake, thereby, you the Messenger [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] remain awake reading the Qur'aan. This is an additional time-bound assignment for you alone. May be it is near that your Sustainer Lord may honorably revive/return you to the original Place/Abode of Glory and Praise. [17:79]

بْعَثَ Signifies the removing of that thing which restrains one from free action. Removing of the restraint implies and results in the revival, which is the basic concept folded in this Arabic Root. On completion of the mission of delivery of Grand Qur'aan, the news of his revival to his original abode مَقَامًا مَّحْمُودًا was given.

إِنَّ الَّذِي فَرَضَ عَلَيْكَ الْقُرْآنَ لَرَادُّكَ إِلَى مَعَادٍ

It is a fact that the One, Who has prescribed time-bound assignment of the Qur'aan upon you, He will surely return/revive you, the Messenger Mohammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] honorably to the Original Abode [مَقَاماً مَّحْمُوداً 17:79]

قُل رَّبِّي أَعْلَمُ مَن جَاءَ بِالْهُدَى وَمَنْ هُوَ فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ

You, the Messenger [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] pronounce, "My Sustainer Lord best knows the one who has come with Al-Huda-the Guide-Grand Qur'aan, and knows fully the one who is wanderer in manifest forgetfulness". [28:85]

رَادُّ It signifies returning, reverting to the position of beginning. He made, or caused, him, or it, to return, go back, come back, or revert; sent, turned. {Lane's Lexicon}

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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2011, 03:11:09 PM »
Symmetry and Equality in the Quran
 
BY: Senobar Tafazoli
   
The meaning of "symmetry" in Webster's dictionary is "balanced proportion, beauty of form arising from balanced proportions, the property of remaining invariant under certain changes."  The meaning of equality is: "like in quality, nature, or status." There is equality and symmetry all through the Quran. There is symmetry between the flies and the humans, among messengers and messengers, messengers and their followers, male and female. When God speaks of Heaven, usually the next  verse is balanced with discussion of Hell and vice versa. The same is true of day and night, the sun and the moon and so on. 
God puts the believers and the messengers on the same level: "The  messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in God, His Angels, His scripture, and His messengers: They make no distinction among any of His messengers" [2:285]. Note also that He has put the messengers on the same level as us. 

Abraham is on the same level as the other believers: "Peace be upon Abraham . . . we thus reward the righteous. . . . He is one of our believing servants" [37:109, 110, 111].   

Moses and  Aaron are also put on the same level as the other righteous believers: "Peace be upon Moses and  Aaron. . . . We thus reward the righteous. . . . Both of them were among our righteous servants" [37:120, 121, 122]. 

God places Muhammad on the same level as the other prophets. He does not want us to make any distinction among them: "We have inspired you, as we inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And we inspired Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, the Patriarchs, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And we gave David the Psalms" [4:163]. 

In the following verse Muhammad and his followers are placed on the same level: ". . . God will not disappoint the prophet and those who believed with him. Their light will radiate in front of them and to their right. They will say, 'our Lord, perfect our light for us and forgive us, you are omnipotent' " [66:8]. Muhammad is put on the same level as other Messengers: "Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. . . " [3:144]. God puts Muhammad and his followers on the same level. God tells Muhammad to say: "Say, "This is my path: I invite to God, on the basis of a clear proof, and so do those who follow me . . .' " [12:108]. We too must not elevate the messengers above righteous believers.   

Both Moses and Aaron are given manifest authority, and they are put onthe same level as their followers, ". . . We will strengthen you with your brother, and we will provide you both with manifest authority. Thus, they will not be able to  touch either of you. With our miracles, the two of you, together with those who follow you, will be the victors" [28:35]. Moses is in charge yet both of them are prophets and both have been given manifest authority. Also, it is Aaron who can speak well.   

Jesus is put on the same level as the righteous: "He will speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult; he will be one of the righteous" [3:46].   
There is symmetry even in criminal justice: "O you who believe,   
equivalence is the law decreed for you when dealing with murder the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the female for the female. If one is pardoned by the victim's kin, an appreciative response is in order, and an equitable compensation shall be paid. This is an alleviation from your Lord and mercy. Anyone who transgresses beyond this incurs a painful retribution. Equivalence is a life saving law for you, O you who possess intelligence, that you may be righteous" [2:178,179]. If someone cuts  one's ear one cannot turn round and kill him. There must be forgiveness or an equivalent esponse.   
   
All through the Quran we are told to be equitable in every thing we do, even in retribution: "During the Sacred Months aggression may be met by an equivalent response. If they attack you, you may retaliate by inflicting an equitable retribution. You shall observe God and know that God is with the righteous" [2:194].   

In the following verse God has perfected His blessings on the family of Jacob, not Joseph alone. That is the same way he had blessed Abraham and Isaac. They were all given the equivalent  blessings. "Your Lord has blessed you (Joseph), and has given you good news through your dream. He has perfected His blessings upon you and upon the family of Jacob, as He did for your ancestors Abraham and Isaac before that. Your Lord is Omniscient, Most Wise" [12:6].   

God puts Mary and Jesus on the same level. He treats Mary and Jesus the same, calling them both a portent for the whole world. "As for the one who maintained her virginity, we blew into her from our Spirit and thus we made her and her son a portent for the whole world" [21:91]. 

The following verses put husband and wife on the same level: ". . . You commit no error by mutually agreeing to any adjustments to the dowry. God is Omniscient, Most Wise" [4:24]. Note that the dowry adjustment is made after mutual agreement.   

Regarding divorcing a wife: God says not to take back anything you have given her and says:  "How could you take it back after you have been intimate with each other . . ." [4:21]. Note it does not say you have been intimate with her -- the women is put on the same level as the man.   

The following verse demonstrate equality between male and female: "Their Lord responded to them: ' I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female -- you are equal to one another. . ."  [3:195].   

There is also a parallel between the bad men and bad women and the good men and the good women: "The bad woman for the bad men and the bad men for the bad women, the good women for the good men, and the good men for the good women." [24:26].   

The following verse shows the parallel between men and women: "The submitting men, the submitting women, the believing men, the believing women, the obedient men, the obedient women, the truthful men, the truthful women, the steadfast men, the steadfast women, the reverent men, the reverent women, the charitable men, the charitable women, the fasting men, the fasting women, the chaste men, the chaste women, and the men who commemorate God frequently, and the commemorating women; God has prepared for them forgiveness and a great recompense" [33:35].   

God spreads human beings through joining male and female; they are equally responsible: "O people observe your Lord; the One who created you from one being, and created from it its mate, then spread from the two many men and women. . ." [4:1].   

The following verse is about Joseph and the governor's wife. Joseph is not any better than the governor's wife   except that God sent him a proof. Otherwise, "She almost succumbed to him, and he almost succumbed to her, if it were not that he saw a proof from his Lord. We thus diverted evil and sin away from him, for he was one of our devoted servants" [12:24].   
   
Speaking of property transactions, God tells us mutually acceptable transactions are permitted: "O you who believe, do not consume each other's properties illicitly -- only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. . ." [4:21].   

On the subject of idol worship ,God brings the idol to the level of a fly, telling us that both are helpless. "O people, here is a parable that you must ponder carefully: the idols you set up beside God can never create a fly, even if they banded together to do so . Furthermore, if the fly steals anything from them, they cannot recover it; weak is the pursuer and the pursued" [22:73].   

God  tells us that the believers and those who are well founded in knowledge believe in the Quran and what was revealed before the Quran, putting both groups on the same level: "As for those among them who are well founded in knowledge and the believers, they believe in what wasrevealed to you, and in what was revealed before you. . ." [4:162].   

The Queen of Sheba places herself on the same level as Solomon: ". . . My lord, I have wronged my soul. I now submit with Solomon to God Lord of the universe" [27:44].  Note that she does not say she will follow Solomon.   

God in His infinite grace makes symmetrical statements by bringing Himself to our level. The following five verses demonstrate this:   
   

". . . God supports those who support Him. God is Powerful Almighty" [22:40].   
". . . If you support God He will support you, and strengthen your footholds" [47:7]. 

"O you who believe, if you revert from your religion, then God will substitute in your place people whom He loves and who love Him. . ." [5:54].   

"As for the early vanguards who immigrated (Muhajerin ) and the supporters who gave them refuge (Ansar) and those who followed them in righteousness. God is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him" [9:100].   

"Their reward (SENOBAR: FROM?)at their Lord is the garden of Eden with flowing streams, wherein they abide forever. God is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. . ." [98:8].   
   
"As for you O content soul . . . Return to your lord, pleased and pleasing" [89:27, 28].

God in His infinite grace has made Submission a symmetrical state.   

"You shall remember Me, that I may remember you, and be thankful to Me; do not be unappreciative" [2:152].

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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2011, 05:13:03 AM »
i dont think praising somebody means your worshiping them. i praise my friends who do something admirable, my mother, my grandfather....and i think Muhammad deserves praise...and we should find out more about him..his life etc..from history as well as the quran...same goes for abraham, moses, noah...all the prophets...they were great people who all deserve acknowledgment and praise, and are role models for muslims.

praising someone is very different from worshiping them...follow the quran only, but acknowledge the person who had the strength and wisdom to deliver it.

So do you research the lives of every single prophet? Why, when the Word of God is complete and fully detailed? Does that include those who are mentioned in the Quran but whose name we don't know? If yes, how do you research them? If not, why do you differentiate among prophets?

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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2011, 06:30:07 AM »
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Note also that He has put the messengers on the same level as us.

Wrong!

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Abraham is on the same level as the other believers: "Peace be upon Abraham . . . we thus reward the righteous. . . . He is one of our believing servants" [37:109, 110, 111].  [/b]

Wrong

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Moses and  Aaron are also put on the same level as the other righteous believers: "Peace be upon Moses and  Aaron. . . . We thus reward the righteous. . . . Both of them were among our righteous servants

Wrong! the red parts are not actually what you are trying to say, by comparing messengers with us.

Allah has not put his messengers on the same level as ordinary people, gravely wrong.
Allah has different status for different messengers/prophets.

Read this carefully

And indeed We have granted distinction/peculiarity/individuality to the Elevated and Chosen Sincere Servants upon one another And We gave to Da'ued [علیہ السلام] Zaboor'an [Book written/on papers]

They [through whom We sent Aayaa't in the past] were Messengers, amongst whom We gave distinction/peculiarity/individuality upon one another,Amongst them was some one with whom Allah spoke [and with Musa alai'his'slaam conversed 4:164]and raised the ranks of some from them........

We being the followers of Muhammad peace is upon him should not differentiate between them as Jews and Christians do.

You the Messenger, [Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam for believers] pronounce, "If you people love Allah, then [to demonstrate and prove it] consciously incline yourselves to follow me, in letter and spirit, without in between there being third party intervention, Allah will in response love/appreciate and acknowledge act of you people and for you He will overlook/forgive your wrong-doings"


May Allah Guide us all to true path.
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Re: A Tribute To him(Peace is upon) on His Birthday
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2011, 06:56:18 AM »
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So do you research the lives of every single prophet?



 I wouldnt call it research but yea.i like reading up on the prophets' struggles..the way they went about spreading the truth..the obstacles in their ways etc.i dont know about every single prophet to ever come to earth, but yea im interested in all i come across in the Book.

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Why, when the Word of God is complete and fully detailed?

God's word is complete and fully detailed, but i like knowing how the righteous men of God dealt with situations. theres a reason why the Word was sent down through messengers..through ordinary humans with extraordinary strength and wisdom, instead of just a book falling from the sky. and i think its partly so this "test" can be a valid test..where our choice is based on us understanding the message instead of just seeing miracles happen all the time. I find comfort in knowing how even the most righteous men stumbled and got scared at times...gives me strength and allows me to tell myself that if they can do it..then maybe i can try achieving atleast some level of enlightenment as them.

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Does that include those who are mentioned in the Quran but whose name we don't know?
as i mentioned before, i like reading up on whomever I come across mentioned in the quran....specially if their struggles hit close to home.

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If yes, how do you research them? If not, why do you differentiate among prophets?

I basically read the quran to get more information.....if i happen to stumble across some other source ill read it like a history book i guess...sometimes i read the bible to see glimpses of Jesus's teachings....its interesting to me, which is why i do it. nothing religious about it i guess. regarding the prophets who arent mentioned in the quran, well I have no idea about them so I dont have any interest in them. its not differentiating among them if you dont know who they are.

hell...is simply an absence of God