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Re: significance of Tawaf
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2010, 05:00:12 AM »
Look who's denying symbolism, you quranites are symbolising everything and when someone is using your own language to make you understand things you tell him why using symblism  :rotfl:

zakaat = poor rate charity, you symbolise it as purity
salaat = 5 daily prayer, you symbolise it as contact whenever we want
hajj = pilgrimage and circling, you symbolise it as visit (not all agree on the place also)
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You are not getting that all these terms you are choosing derived from the true ones not the opposite but you are too stubborn to admit it.

Is that the best you can say? Where is your argument?

When you have understood what is "essence" and what is "symbol", we can actually exchange something. I agree though, the way you wrote your post and present your assumptions, i'd say "this is too funny" myself.




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Re: significance of Tawaf
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2010, 08:16:51 AM »
Traditional hajj and tawaf etc are critically damaged using The Quran itself, but often the problem is, the person you are debating with does not regard Quranic coherence and/or logic as fixed, and that is how they can fit whatever meaning they wish into it.

It is actually "Quranists" who have a much harder task of remaining true to its criteria, and are bound by it, not external whims/sources.
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Re: significance of Tawaf
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2010, 10:03:09 AM »
Badr,

 I will tell you what is so significant about 6awaf, and about hajj in general. It is the best event for sexual harassment; not to mention other physical aggressions practiced and experienced there.

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Re: significance of Tawaf
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2011, 09:53:21 AM »
the word "kaaba" (singular of kaabain) means "ankle/joint" according to 5:6

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Re: significance of Tawaf
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2011, 10:50:15 PM »
Badr,

 I will tell you what is so significant about 6awaf, and about hajj in general. It is the best event for sexual harassment; not to mention other physical aggressions practiced and experienced there.

Salaam
did you attended that event and experienced that harasment?  :hypno:
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Re: significance of Tawaf
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 12:10:53 AM »
You are inviting others to practice sorcery.

Syncretism: Rituals of Hajj
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jY_6d7KBew

The Jewish Encyclopedia discusses circambulation:
"Extension of Sukkot.
The seventh day of the festival is distinguished as the "great Hosha'na" (the Gospel accounts of Jesus' entry on Palm Sunday seem to have confused this with Pesaḥ), or "the day of the palm-and willow-branches" (Suk. 42-45). Carrying in their hands branches at least eleven feet long, the celebrants make seven circuits around the desk, chanting "Hosha'na" (Ps. cxviii. 25), and then beat the floor with the branches. This custom, said to be of Mosaic origin, is undoubtedly an adaptation of a Babylonian rite (Yer. 'Ab. Zarah iv.)."

No where in the Quran is a ritual of Circambulation taught or discussed.

This is a Kabbalist rite known as ‘squaring the circle’. They circle the Kaaba 7 times to represent the 7 ‘heavens’ or celestial bodies that circle above the earth, and in honor of the alchemical or ‘spiritual realms’: Fire, Water, Earth, Air, Above, Below, and Within.
Carl Jung taught this was a “symbol of the opus alchymicum because it breaks down the original chaotic unity into the four elements and then combines them again in a higher unity”; the Philosopher’s stone.
This symbolic ritual used in esoteric Mystery schools and alchemy is taught by the Kabbalist satans who infiltrated the religions of man, turning service to our Creator into an idolatrous rite of magic, sorcery.







This rite was practiced by 3 million Islamists in 2010 alone.

I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed satans.

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Re: significance of Tawaf
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2011, 11:05:25 AM »
I think tawaaf, like bowing and prostrating, is ways by which humans worship. Its available in all societies. Peolple always had temples where they had sacrifices and festivals to commemorate God's providence. The difference between the Koranic understanding is monotheism and not doing these rituals for false gods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccftPtBhw1I

Rituals generally tend to be protocolish. often they are temples where people gather and perform rituals. The pagan Arabs probably did so in Mecca with the Ka'ba.  Often they will be reanactments of past religious significant events. The safa and Marwa is one such thing although the OT tells us it was in bersheeba and not Mecca. But the idea is the same, its a reanactment of some past religiously significant event. Its a way to preserve memory and tradition but also a way to thank God for His providence.

In the Old Testament there are many of these rituals like altars and incest and sacrifices.

http://vimeo.com/11133297

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4L2hNFe3U

But the Koran wants us to do it for God and not false gods.

But its part of human nature to have rituals and rites.

22.34-37 To every people did We appoint rites , that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the sustenance He gave them from animals . But your Allah is One Allah. submit then your wills to Him (in Islam): and give thou the good news to those who humble themselves,- To those whose hearts when Allah is mentioned, are filled with fear, who show patient perseverance over their afflictions, keep up regular prayer, and spend out of what We have bestowed upon them. The sacrificial camels we have made for you as among the symbols from Allah. in them is (much) good for you: then pronounce the name of Allah over them as they line up : when they are down on their sides , eat ye thereof, and feed such as (beg not but) live in contentment, and such as beg with due humility: thus have We made animals subject to you, that ye may be grateful. It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah. it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right.

88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe