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mubashir55

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Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
« on: September 03, 2010, 04:39:26 PM »
Dear All,

Any body read the above books in which Dr Qamaruzzaman rejects Salat and Hadith as being against the Qur'an. You can download English PDF Versions of all three books at www.aastana.com.

Once a few of us have read them, we can discuss them to see if they make any sense. Haqeeqat Saum rejects fasting as Un Qur'anic?!!!

Mubashir
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Re: Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2010, 05:09:09 PM »
Quote from: mubashir55 on September 03, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Dear All,

Any body read the above books in which Dr Qamaruzzaman rejects Salat and Hadith as being against the Qur'an. You can download English PDF Versions of all three books at www.aastana.com.

Once a few of us have read them, we can discuss them to see if they make any sense. Haqeeqat Saum rejects fasting as Un Qur'anic?!!!

Mubashir

 :peace: Downloaded both and have read introduction only on fasting. I like this guy already, thanks mubashir55. will let you know how i get on with the rest.
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Re: Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2010, 08:50:39 PM »
Salam Mubashir,

Many thanks for pointing this out to me. Akhtar Sherazi also wrote something to this effect:
http://quraniceducationandresearch.com/

I think Dr Zaman is definitely a cut above the rest but I cannot agree how he limits muttaqee to simply a social dimension. To me, this is the limitation of GA Parwez. He fails to see Quran as a book talking to individuals. A muttaqee in context of 2/183 is a person who preserves himself by controlling indulgence, is how I see it.

I have more points to discuss but I'll leave it at this for now.

Also, I cant find the truth about hadith book?
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Re: Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 11:33:33 PM »
I appreciate this guy's wisdom regarding pinpointing contradictions between quranic commands and the practiced Month of Ramadhan. I also appreciate his out of the BOX thinking to find the truth.  However his solution has all gone wrong.

I think he is not aware of Aymen's proposed solution regarding Ramadhan issue, had he been ,  he would have agreed with him. I will try sending him Aymen's article.

In my opinion Aymen has done a fantastic job on this issue and his approach is closer to truth, however new bees require a few years to fully grasp the issue and its  solution.

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Re: Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 11:35:30 PM »
Thank you... I will check this out.
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Re: Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 03:19:18 AM »
Quote from: abdalquran on September 03, 2010, 08:50:39 PM
Salam Mubashir,

Many thanks for pointing this out to me. Akhtar Sherazi also wrote something to this effect:
http://quraniceducationandresearch.com/

I think Dr Zaman is definitely a cut above the rest but I cannot agree how he limits muttaqee to simply a social dimension. To me, this is the limitation of GA Parwez. He fails to see Quran as a book talking to individuals. A muttaqee in context of 2/183 is a person who preserves himself by controlling indulgence, is how I see it.

I have more points to discuss but I'll leave it at this for now.

Also, I cant find the truth about hadith book?



Dear Brother, the idea is to examine and discuss. Since I do not know Arabic, and Dr Qamar relies heavily on Arabic language to arrive at meanings,  it would be most interesting for those who do. Haqeeat hadith is available on that website in Urdu. Please click list of Books and download. It. In my view it is very informative.

Individual reform is important because individuals are members of a society. I think GA Perwez emphasied both. How could he not when the Qur'an does? I think what he meant was that Islam is not about personal salvation alone. It is a social system and one needs to get involved.

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Re: Dr Qamar's Blog site http://www.aastana.com/blog/default.asp
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 03:24:22 AM »
Dear Siki

Where can we find Aymen's article about Saum?

Dr Qamaruzzaman invites suggestions/corrections etc. so please ask/suggest your ideas at his blog at:

http://www.aastana.com/blog/default.asp

Thanks.
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Re: Dr Qamar's Blog site http://www.aastana.com/blog/default.asp
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2010, 01:38:07 PM »
Quote from: mubashir55 on September 04, 2010, 03:24:22 AM
Dear Siki

Where can we find Aymen's article about Saum?


 ;D I think you found it.
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Re: Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2010, 09:08:40 AM »
Quote from: mubashir55 on September 03, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Dear All,

Any body read the above books in which Dr Qamaruzzaman rejects Salat and Hadith as being against the Qur'an. You can download English PDF Versions of all three books at www.aastana.com.

Once a few of us have read them, we can discuss them to see if they make any sense. Haqeeqat Saum rejects fasting as Un Qur'anic?!!!

Mubashir

Mubashir, everyone,

Rapidly went through this article and I must say this guy's mind is free of traditional understanding of fasting!

Quote from: siki on September 03, 2010, 11:33:33 PM
I appreciate this guy's wisdom regarding pinpointing contradictions between quranic commands and the practiced Month of Ramadhan. I also appreciate his out of the BOX thinking to find the truth.  However his solution has all gone wrong.

I think he is not aware of Aymen's proposed solution regarding Ramadhan issue, had he been ,  he would have agreed with him. I will try sending him Aymen's article.

In my opinion Aymen has done a fantastic job on this issue and his approach is closer to truth, however new bees require a few years to fully grasp the issue and its  solution.

siki

I can't see how Ayman's view on Ramadhan can be compatible with the proposed article. Ayman's view is traditional in the understanding of saum. It would be interesting however to learn of Ayman's appreciation of this outlook towards Ramadhan.

In any case, there is certainly food for thought in Aastana's direction further freeing the mind of traditional understandings.

adjwi
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Re: Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
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