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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2010, 03:57:27 AM »
Emil he would be a fool if he voted against his beliefs.

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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2010, 05:26:34 AM »
Emil he would be a fool if he voted against his beliefs.

Once upon a time women ruled in the Maldives..

Tell me something I don't know  ;D

The question is hypothetical. Does mr Imram Hosein, born in Trinidad, object to the Prime Minister of Trinidad because she is a woman, even though he might believe she is good for his country? Does mr Imram Hosein's view of female leadership mirror the belief of mainstream muslims? I don't know, because I have never talked politics with a muslim before, hence my question.


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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2010, 08:08:21 AM »
Goodmorning all

Forgive my ignorance, but is this the consensus of mainstream muslims? A woman cannot rule? I know female imams are like totally impossible it seems, but political rulers? Honest question here.

Because are they not putting themselves in a real pickle? hypothetical scenario; A muslim living in a secular state goes to vote in the election. He sees the Social Democrats want a system that looks after the sick and weak and not let a few get rich. The social democrats believe that, as a muslim, he has the right to practice his religion, they want to help minorities, they believe in equality etc. etc.

A lot of the social democratic philosophy is pretty much close to what he believes in as a muslim. So he wants to vote for them, but he can't....because the leader of the Social Democrat party is a WOMAN.

What is the scholaric ruling on that? Is he supposed to withdraw from the rest of society and not vote? What happens if the Social Democrats win the election? Is he supposed to just ignore the new political ruling because the leader is female, even though he agrees with what she is saying?

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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2010, 08:21:41 AM »
Once upon a time I saw a imam riding a female jenny ;)

jenny  ???

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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2010, 04:14:39 AM »
Tell me something I don't know  ;D

The question is hypothetical. Does mr Imram Hosein, born in Trinidad, object to the Prime Minister of Trinidad because she is a woman, even though he might believe she is good for his country? Does mr Imram Hosein's view of female leadership mirror the belief of mainstream muslims? I don't know, because I have never talked politics with a muslim before, hence my question.



TBH only the Prime Minister of Trinidad could answer that. people can be prejudice which can cause them to be unjust but not necessarily it's all individual. You might do something that you hate for the benefit of others, or do something you love for your own selfishness. it depends on peoples values/beliefs and how strongly they hold to them.

Sorry I don't have the answer you want but to assume that no one will be bias and unjust is wrong and to assume that because a mainstream may prefer a male he won't vote for a women is also wrong. it's all individual and we'd be speculating if we had a concrete answer, unless of course they openly say so.

Aisha supposedly led an army regretfully, if people listened to her i'm sure women had some sort of power

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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2010, 05:56:54 AM »
As a side note, many people in the UK are under the mistaken impression that the Queen has no power.

Whilst this is true for the most part, what many do not know is that in rare cases when the prime minister or ministers want to push through controversial decrees they use archaic/ancient/royal law, "signed off" by the Queen, so they do not need to go through parliament and have an open discussion about it.

As unjust and undemocratic as that seems, it is 100% true and those educated about it know. The most despicable example of this in action is when they used it to throw people out of their homes/land in Chagos (now known as Diego Garcia) to make way for a US military base, see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order-in-Council
http://links.org.au/node/746

If you live in the UK and this is the first time you are hearing about this, it's ok, many are unaware these archaic laws exist.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

www.studyQuran.org

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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2010, 06:57:48 AM »
TBH only the Prime Minister of Trinidad could answer that. people can be prejudice which can cause them to be unjust but not necessarily it's all individual. You might do something that you hate for the benefit of others, or do something you love for your own selfishness. it depends on peoples values/beliefs and how strongly they hold to them.

Sorry I don't have the answer you want but to assume that no one will be bias and unjust is wrong and to assume that because a mainstream may prefer a male he won't vote for a women is also wrong. it's all individual and we'd be speculating if we had a concrete answer, unless of course they openly say so.

Aisha supposedly led an army regretfully, if people listened to her i'm sure women had some sort of power

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I agree...It just baffled me. I always thought that non-fundamentalist countries see politics and religion as somewhat separate, otherwise women like Tansu Çiller, Benazir Bhutto and Megawati Sukarnoputri could never have been allowed to lead. I always thought that, according to mainstream muslims, a woman is not allowed in religious leadership, hence the very limitied amount of female imams. I thought this was a sure thing, but apparentaly it also extends to other kinds of leadership according to Imram Hosein. He may be very alone in his thoughts, but like I said, didn't know it existed at all outside the fundamentalist ways.

BTW, I cannot find anything in the Quran about women not allowed to lead, in any kind or sort. And using the queen of Sheeba as argument against female leadership is just tooo easy to rebute. Mr Hosein, nice try but sorry, I don't buy it.

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Re: can a woman be a leader according to quran?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2010, 06:54:40 AM »
Salam,

I would say that the answer is "yes" based on the example of Sheba that has been given to us. However, I wold also point out that a woman or even a normal man do not appear to be the first/best choice as in the example of the Isralites when they asked for a King...God made "Saul" king over them, when they asked "why?" they were told: "because God favored him in his size and knowledge".

Interstingly, this teaches us that the best person for the job is not always the obvious one.

- The Isralites had a prophet in their midst, yet God chose Saul for his qualities - physical stature projects power.
- Moses was the one chosen as prophet, yet God allowed Aron to be the spokesperson for the message because he was more elequent.

`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)