6 literal days?

[stan-b.]

Ok, so the Torah & the Quran say the  earth was created in six days. Sorry, but that is wishful thinking. Science proves the earth  is much older. How can the earth be 6,000 years old when archeology says mankind is much older? And what about dinosaurs that pre-existed humanity

[CavemanDoctor]

Where does the quran state the earth is 6,000 years old?

[Alen]

Peace,
Respect.

Something to think about:

22:47 And they seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. And a day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years which you count.

32:5 He arranges matters from the heaven to the earth, then it ascends to Him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count.

70:4 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years.

God bless ya.
Peace.

[Nafi]

10:3 But, your Lord (Who sent this Book) is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness in Supreme Control. He, the Director of all directions, Issuer of all decrees, runs the Universe according to His Laws. No intercessor can stand in His Court but as a witness of Law (2:255, 16:111)). Such is Allah, your Sustainer. You shall serve Him. Won’t you use your intellect and reasoning?

11:7 He created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES and established Himself on the throne of His Almightiness. He has Supreme Control over the origination of life which began in water (21:30). Life is a test for yourselves to see which of you leads a balanced life and is best in conduct. Yet, if you (O Prophet), say, “You will be raised again after death,” the rejecters of the Truth will surely answer, “This is clearly nothing but a fabulous delusion!” (45:24).

32:4 Allah it is Who has created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control (7:54). You have no patron and no intercessor beside Him. Will you not, then, bear this in mind?

57:4 He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control. (7:54,10:3, 13:2, 20:5, 25:59, 32:4, 57:4). He knows all that enters the earth and all that comes forth from it, and all that descends from the sky, and all that ascends therein. And He is with you wherever you may be. And Allah is Seer of what you do.

This talks about from the moment of the creation of matter, and the organizing of the matter into clusters and eventualy into stars and planets and so on from the big-bang to now. The evolution of the universe took 6 different stages, and the earth and other planets and stars were developed in 2 stages. Life was developed in 4 stages. So together, it took 6 stages to result in evolved life. These stages don't refer to time stages, but to different levels of evolution of the universe and its life in it, each needing its own step with its own timespan. The biggest mistake people make is looking at the stages as if they occur with each taking the exact same time. So let's see what the Quran tells us more.

The Stages of Creation & Evolution in the Quran 

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13263.0

[Jack]

Time is relative.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15185.msg144228#msg144228


Also, this is a very fascinating thread on time itself:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16744.0

[Haroon]

I'd agree with those who posted that the Quran does not talk of six literal days, but of six stages/phases of time. Time is relative, as implied in the Quran.

Don't forget, the Quran does not state that the earth is 6,000 years old and does not explicitly contradict the current scientific understanding that the universe and the earth are WELL over 6,000 years old.

[ths]

Peace stan-b,


I think you are confusing Christian doctrine with Islamic doctrine.

Some Christians believe that the earth is 6000 years old because the Bible lists all the ancestors of Jesus and their ages at death from Adam to Jesus. So a medieval priest was the first to count these ages from Adam to Jesus, and reached 6000 years.

So if a Christian is to disbelieve in the 6000 year age of the world, it means that he is accepting that the Bible is innacurate.

But this 6000 year age does not appear anywhere in the Quran, and as others have pointed out so far, it actually infers that the age of the world is FAR older.

[Wootah]

Ok, so the Torah & the Quran say the  earth was created in six days. Sorry, but that is wishful thinking. Science proves the earth  is much older. How can the earth be 6,000 years old when archeology says mankind is much older? And what about dinosaurs that pre-existed humanity

I believe in creation and a young earth. A good source of discussion on the topic is http://creation.com/ It is Christian but that can't hurt.

Basically the issue with long ages and evolution is that if one wants to believe in God one has to accept that God chose billions of years of death to randomly arise at one animal and then decide that this is an animal he wants to focus on. A good loving God would not use a process of death to create us.

As for the science - it is far more debatable than many realise. That is something that I was surprised about when I started to challenge my beliefs and see how they hold up. As for Islam the problem I have on this topic is that it doesn't positively claim anything either way so it appears to me that a muslim can claim either long or short ages depending on the evidence. It's no big deal to me but you do see Muslim's marvelling at another miracle when I feel a fairer assessment is that the Koran makes no positive claims in this area.

[ths]

Basically the issue with long ages and evolution is that if one wants to believe in God one has to accept that God chose billions of years of death to randomly arise at one animal and then decide that this is an animal he wants to focus on. A good loving God would not use a process of death to create us.

7:11 We created you, THEN We shaped you

This implies that humans existed on earth whilst being shaped, over a period of time.

And I have no problem with believing this because the animals that died during the evolutionary process did not have free will. They were animals, and they knew their salah and their sujood to God as do the stars and all non-living organisms.

As for Islam the problem I have on this topic is that it doesn't positively claim anything either way

Well as Alen pointed out, the Quran is implying that a period with Him is equal to thousands of years for us - ie. a long time.

[Wootah]

7:11 We created you, THEN We shaped you

This implies that humans existed on earth whilst being shaped, over a period of time.

And I have no problem with believing this because the animals that died during the evolutionary process did not have free will. They were animals, and they knew their salah and their sujood to God as do the stars and all non-living organisms.



Well as Alen pointed out, the Quran is implying that a period with Him is equal to thousands of years for us - ie. a long time.

- Yes but I can't reconcile a good loving God with death. A Christian has to believe a complex theology to explain why the world is the way it is, full of death, and yet God is loving is good. As for animals I'm thinking about humans as well. You seem willing to accept that God is OK with you dying and with death and misery. That view of God is another major difference between our views of God.

- I'm not really against what the Koran says here, I just think it silly to call it science when there is evidence usable for what ever the facts might be.