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« on: April 24, 2010, 04:02:53 AM »

Peace everybody.
When the rejectors running out feul and try to mislead truth seekers then I have to start clear question as topic.
You have witnessed how many times rejectors leading by Ayman and now Eid repeatedly claim that in so many provabilities for table 23  threr are every 19 cycle another one.

They are totally wrong as I explain in following :

Example one
we have fixed numbers from 1-114  other set of numbers are preceding  which means  "present chapter number " order number
96 =1
The search shows that all reports and  records shows that that 96th chapter has been the first chapter and then last revaluation number is 114 that is end of table
961......................................................................114
If we we were allowed to change  the ending number then their claim for 19 cycle is right but here we can not change number 114 ending the table.
In addition this table is locked into 1-114 fixed numbers and simple exaple let us work with 3 numbers
fixed numbers   1  2   3
Variable  123  3x2x1=6 combinations.
1 1  2   2   3  3
2 1  1   2   3  3
3 1  1   2   2  3
3 1  2   2   1  3
2 1  3   2   1  3
1 1  3   2   2  3

Their 114 factorial and septillion combinations for a regular is applicable but here the numbers of table is locked into 114 fixed numbers and ending 114 we can not change those numbers.
Certainly there would be patterns multiple of 19 but not in every 19 cycle.
How we find the numbers of combinations with with start 96-1 ....2 ... 3..........................114?
Is any formula?
peace.


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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2010, 09:58:58 AM »

Peace,

When the rejectors running out feul and try to mislead truth seekers then I have to start clear question as topic.
You have witnessed how many times rejectors leading by Ayman and now Eid repeatedly claim that in so many provabilities for table 23  threr are every 19 cycle another one.

How we find the numbers of combinations with with start 96-1 ....2 ... 3..........................114?
Is any formula?

Regardless of # or how many digits in that number, to get a multiple is always #of possible combinations/divisor.

2 factorial = 1x2 = 2
3 factorial = 1x2x3 = 6
4 factorial = 1x2x3x4 = 24
5 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5 = 120
6 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6 = 720
7 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7 = 5040
...
114 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x...112x113x114 = 2.54355973 × 10^186

Print all the combinations up to 7 factorial here: http://juliusdavies.ca/andre/permutations.html
Input: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

(7 factorial) / 19 = 265.263158 is the number of expected multiples.

Here are the actual 268 multiples from the 5040 combinations which of course 114 appended is also a multiple.

1237546 = 19 x 65134 AND 1237546114 = 19 x 65134006
1247635 = 19 x 65665
1264735 = 19 x 66565
1273456 = 19 x 67024
1274653 = 19 x 67087
1276534 = 19 x 67186
1324756 = 19 x 69724
1345276 = 19 x 70804
1357246 = 19 x 71434
1362547 = 19 x 71713
1364257 = 19 x 71803
1372465 = 19 x 72235
1423765 = 19 x 74935
1427356 = 19 x 75124
1432657 = 19 x 75403
1457623 = 19 x 76717
1462753 = 19 x 76987
1473526 = 19 x 77554
1475236 = 19 x 77644
1546372 = 19 x 81388
1563472 = 19 x 82288
1564327 = 19 x 82333
1567234 = 19 x 82486
1572364 = 19 x 82756
1625374 = 19 x 85546
1645723 = 19 x 86617
1652734 = 19 x 86986
1653247 = 19 x 87013
1654273 = 19 x 87067
1673254 = 19 x 88066
1673425 = 19 x 88075
1726435 = 19 x 90865
1736524 = 19 x 91396
1753624 = 19 x 92296
1762345 = 19 x 92755
1763542 = 19 x 92818
1765423 = 19 x 92917
2135467 = 19 x 112393
2143675 = 19 x 112825
2146753 = 19 x 112987
2153764 = 19 x 113356
2164537 = 19 x 113923
2165734 = 19 x 113986
2314675 = 19 x 121825
2347165 = 19 x 123535
2354176 = 19 x 123904
2356741 = 19 x 124039
2367514 = 19 x 124606
2415736 = 19 x 127144
2457631 = 19 x 129349
2461735 = 19 x 129565
2471653 = 19 x 130087
2531674 = 19 x 133246
2537146 = 19 x 133534
2541763 = 19 x 133777
2567413 = 19 x 135127
2571346 = 19 x 135334
2576134 = 19 x 135586
2613754 = 19 x 137566
2617345 = 19 x 137755
2635471 = 19 x 138709
2645731 = 19 x 139249
2651374 = 19 x 139546
2675143 = 19 x 140797
2675314 = 19 x 140806
2716354 = 19 x 142966
2734651 = 19 x 143929
2735164 = 19 x 143956
2753461 = 19 x 144919
2754316 = 19 x 144964
2765431 = 19 x 145549
3126754 = 19 x 164566
3142657 = 19 x 165403
3152746 = 19 x 165934
3154627 = 19 x 166033
3165742 = 19 x 166618
3167452 = 19 x 166708
3215674 = 19 x 169246
3247651 = 19 x 170929
3256714 = 19 x 171406
3264751 = 19 x 171829
3267145 = 19 x 171955
3274156 = 19 x 172324
3416257 = 19 x 179803
3417625 = 19 x 179875
3426175 = 19 x 180325
3426517 = 19 x 180343
3452167 = 19 x 181693
3456271 = 19 x 181909
3457126 = 19 x 181954
3461572 = 19 x 182188
3467215 = 19 x 182485
3472516 = 19 x 182764
3521764 = 19 x 185356
3524671 = 19 x 185509
3546217 = 19 x 186643
3564172 = 19 x 187588
3567421 = 19 x 187759
3574261 = 19 x 188119
3576142 = 19 x 188218
3614275 = 19 x 190225
3615472 = 19 x 190288
3617524 = 19 x 190396
3621457 = 19 x 190603
3651724 = 19 x 192196
3672415 = 19 x 193285
3674125 = 19 x 193375
3714652 = 19 x 195508
3726451 = 19 x 196129
3745261 = 19 x 197119
3751246 = 19 x 197434
3752614 = 19 x 197506
4125736 = 19 x 217144
4132576 = 19 x 217504
4153267 = 19 x 218593
4163527 = 19 x 219133
4165237 = 19 x 219223
4175326 = 19 x 219754
4176352 = 19 x 219808
4176523 = 19 x 219817
4216537 = 19 x 221923
4217563 = 19 x 221977
4231756 = 19 x 222724
4235176 = 19 x 222904
4236715 = 19 x 222985
4251763 = 19 x 223777
4267153 = 19 x 224587
4273651 = 19 x 224929
4275361 = 19 x 225019
4316572 = 19 x 227188
4317256 = 19 x 227224
4327516 = 19 x 227764
4351627 = 19 x 229033
4357612 = 19 x 229348
4362571 = 19 x 229609
4376251 = 19 x 230329
4512367 = 19 x 237493
4517326 = 19 x 237754
4526731 = 19 x 238249
4532716 = 19 x 238564
4537162 = 19 x 238798
4561273 = 19 x 240067
4571362 = 19 x 240598
4576321 = 19 x 240859
4612573 = 19 x 242767
4613257 = 19 x 242803
4617532 = 19 x 243028
4623175 = 19 x 243325
4623517 = 19 x 243343
4631725 = 19 x 243775
4632751 = 19 x 243829
4651732 = 19 x 244828
4653271 = 19 x 244909
4732615 = 19 x 249085
4756213 = 19 x 250327
5124376 = 19 x 269704
5142673 = 19 x 270667
5147632 = 19 x 270928
5164732 = 19 x 271828
5173624 = 19 x 272296
5213467 = 19 x 274393
5216374 = 19 x 274546
5231764 = 19 x 275356
5234671 = 19 x 275509
5261347 = 19 x 276913
5263741 = 19 x 277039
5271436 = 19 x 277444
5273146 = 19 x 277534
5312476 = 19 x 279604
5312647 = 19 x 279613
5317264 = 19 x 279856
5324617 = 19 x 280243
5361724 = 19 x 282196
5371642 = 19 x 282718
5416273 = 19 x 285067
5432176 = 19 x 285904
5463127 = 19 x 287533
5467231 = 19 x 287749
5472361 = 19 x 288019
5473216 = 19 x 288064
5476123 = 19 x 288217
5621473 = 19 x 295867
5632417 = 19 x 296443
5634127 = 19 x 296533
5647123 = 19 x 297217
5671234 = 19 x 298486
5672431 = 19 x 298549
5674312 = 19 x 298648
5713642 = 19 x 300718
5714326 = 19 x 300754
5731426 = 19 x 301654
5734162 = 19 x 301798
5736214 = 19 x 301906
5746132 = 19 x 302428
6172435 = 19 x 324865
6175342 = 19 x 325018
6213475 = 19 x 327025
6237415 = 19 x 328285
6243571 = 19 x 328609
6251437 = 19 x 329023
6253147 = 19 x 329113
6254173 = 19 x 329167
6273154 = 19 x 330166
6274351 = 19 x 330229
6321547 = 19 x 332713
6341725 = 19 x 333775
6342751 = 19 x 333829
6351472 = 19 x 334288
6354721 = 19 x 334459
6374215 = 19 x 335485
6375241 = 19 x 335539
6375412 = 19 x 335548
6421753 = 19 x 337987
6425173 = 19 x 338167
6453217 = 19 x 339643
6457321 = 19 x 339859
6517342 = 19 x 343018
6527431 = 19 x 343549
6534271 = 19 x 343909
6542137 = 19 x 344323
6712453 = 19 x 353287
6721345 = 19 x 353755
6734512 = 19 x 354448
6741352 = 19 x 354808
6741523 = 19 x 354817
7124563 = 19 x 374977
7134652 = 19 x 375508
7152436 = 19 x 376444
7153462 = 19 x 376498
7162354 = 19 x 376966
7164235 = 19 x 377065
7165432 = 19 x 377128
7213654 = 19 x 379666
7215364 = 19 x 379756
7234516 = 19 x 380764
7241356 = 19 x 381124
7245631 = 19 x 381349
7246315 = 19 x 381385
7261534 = 19 x 382186
7263415 = 19 x 382285
7316254 = 19 x 385066
7316425 = 19 x 385075
7325146 = 19 x 385534
7326514 = 19 x 385606
7341562 = 19 x 386398
7346521 = 19 x 386659
7352164 = 19 x 386956
7354216 = 19 x 387064
7412356 = 19 x 390124
7415263 = 19 x 390277
7435612 = 19 x 391348
7436125 = 19 x 391375
7456132 = 19 x 392428
7513246 = 19 x 395434
7516324 = 19 x 395596
7523164 = 19 x 395956
7524361 = 19 x 396019
7526413 = 19 x 396127
7534621 = 19 x 396559
7541632 = 19 x 396928
7542316 = 19 x 396964
7613452 = 19 x 400708
7623541 = 19 x 401239
7641325 = 19 x 402175
7642351 = 19 x 402229
7651243 = 19 x 402697
7653124 = 19 x 402796
7654321 = 19 x 402859

(114 factorial) / 19 = 1.33871565 × 10^185 (i.e. 10 to the 185th power or 10 followed by 185 zeros) multiples!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=114+factorial/19&aq=f&aqi=h1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Once again there are practically an infinity of multiples which you posted only one and claimed it a miracle. lol

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2010, 01:59:26 PM »

Peace,

Regardless of # or how many digits in that number, to get a multiple is always #of possible combinations/divisor.

2 factorial = 1x2 = 2
3 factorial = 1x2x3 = 6
4 factorial = 1x2x3x4 = 24
5 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5 = 120
6 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6 = 720
7 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7 = 5040
...
114 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x...112x113x114 = 2.54355973 × 10^186

Print all the combinations up to 7 factorial here: http://juliusdavies.ca/andre/permutations.html
Input: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

(7 factorial) / 19 = 265.263158 is the number of expected multiples.

Here are the actual 268 multiples from the 5040 combinations which of course 114 appended is also a multiple.

1237546 = 19 x 65134 AND 1237546114 = 19 x 65134006
1247635 = 19 x 65665

STOP CHILDISH GAME ANSWER THE QUESTION Smiley

Peace everybody.
When the rejectors running out feul and try to mislead truth seekers then I have to start clear question as topic.
You have witnessed how many times rejectors leading by Ayman and now Eid repeatedly claim that in so many provabilities for table 23  threr are every 19 cycle another one.

They are totally wrong as I explain in following :

Example one
we have fixed numbers from 1-114  other set of numbers are preceding  which means  "present chapter number " order number
96 =1
The search shows that all reports and  records shows that that 96th chapter has been the first chapter and then last revaluation number is 114 that is end of table
961......................................................................114
If we we were allowed to change  the ending number then their claim for 19 cycle is right but here we can not change number 114 ending the table.
In addition this table is locked into 1-114 fixed numbers and simple exaple let us work with 3 numbers
fixed numbers   1  2   3
Variable  123  3x2x1=6 combinations.
1 1  2   2   3  3
2 1  1   2   3  3
3 1  1   2   2  3
3 1  2   2   1  3
2 1  3   2   1  3
1 1  3   2   2  3


Their 114 factorial and septillion combinations for a regular is applicable but here the numbers of table is locked into 114 fixed numbers and ending 114 we can not change those numbers.
Certainly there would be patterns multiple of 19 but not in every 19 cycle.
How we find the numbers of combinations with with start 96-1 ....2 ... 3..........................114?
Is any formula?
peace..

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2010, 02:15:52 PM »

Peace,

Regardless of # or how many digits in that number, to get a multiple is always #of possible combinations/divisor.

2 factorial = 1x2 = 2
3 factorial = 1x2x3 = 6
4 factorial = 1x2x3x4 = 24
5 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5 = 120
6 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6 = 720
7 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7 = 5040
...
114 factorial = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x...112x113x114 = 2.54355973 × 10^186

Print all the combinations up to 7 factorial here: http://juliusdavies.ca/andre/permutations.html
Input: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

(7 factorial) / 19 = 265.263158 is the number of expected multiples.

Here are the actual 268 multiples from the 5040 combinations which of course 114 appended is also a multiple.

1237546 = 19 x 65134 AND 1237546114 = 19 x 65134006
..............
You never can understand as you heart is beating with your idol Raheem.
it is not 1237546
Open your eye and learn challenge before wasting time
It is
1    1   2   2   3    3
   4  7   5  5    6  6  7  ...........................   114  
114  
114  
114  
114  
114  
114  

..................


and table ends 114 no matter how many septillion combinations!  
Do you understand?
now do your homework Smiley
peace
Ps
do not forget 96   is first digit in all combinations are locked with 96    and ends with 114  Good Luck  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2010, 02:20:51 PM »

Peace,

STOP CHILDISH GAME ANSWER THE QUESTION Smiley

This is childish and I did answer your question; not my fault you are still (I'll be nice) asleep;
here let's see if we can wake you out of your slumber...

Take only the first 5 as an example: http://juliusdavies.ca/andre/permutations.html
Input: 1,2,3,4,5

5 factorial = 120 combinations / 19 = 6.31578947 expected multiples which there are 5 ...


3      1      5      2      1      3      4      4      2      5      66778899101011111212131314141515161617171818191920202121222223232424252526262727282829293030313132323333343435353636373738383939404041414242434344444545464647474848494950505151525253535454555556565757585859596060616162626363646465656666676768686969707071717272737374747575767677777878797980808181828283838484858586868787888889899090919192929393949495959696979798989999100100101101102102103103104104105105106106107107108108109109110110111111112112113113114114


4      1      2      2      3      3      5      4      1      5      66778899101011111212131314141515161617171818191920202121222223232424252526262727282829293030313132323333343435353636373738383939404041414242434344444545464647474848494950505151525253535454555556565757585859596060616162626363646465656666676768686969707071717272737374747575767677777878797980808181828283838484858586868787888889899090919192929393949495959696979798989999100100101101102102103103104104105105106106107107108108109109110110111111112112113113114114


4      1      3      2      1      3      5      4      2      5      66778899101011111212131314141515161617171818191920202121222223232424252526262727282829293030313132323333343435353636373738383939404041414242434344444545464647474848494950505151525253535454555556565757585859596060616162626363646465656666676768686969707071717272737374747575767677777878797980808181828283838484858586868787888889899090919192929393949495959696979798989999100100101101102102103103104104105105106106107107108108109109110110111111112112113113114114


5      1      2      2      3      3      1      4      4      5      66778899101011111212131314141515161617171818191920202121222223232424252526262727282829293030313132323333343435353636373738383939404041414242434344444545464647474848494950505151525253535454555556565757585859596060616162626363646465656666676768686969707071717272737374747575767677777878797980808181828283838484858586868787888889899090919192929393949495959696979798989999100100101101102102103103104104105105106106107107108108109109110110111111112112113113114114



5      1      3      2      4      3      2      4      1      5      66778899101011111212131314141515161617171818191920202121222223232424252526262727282829293030313132323333343435353636373738383939404041414242434344444545464647474848494950505151525253535454555556565757585859596060616162626363646465656666676768686969707071717272737374747575767677777878797980808181828283838484858586868787888889899090919192929393949495959696979798989999100100101101102102103103104104105105106106107107108108109109110110111111112112113113114114

Calculator: http://www.markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.cgi

If you are bored try with 6 factorial = 720; 7 factorial = 5,040; 8 factorial = 40,320, etc... to 114 factorial



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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2010, 02:32:49 PM »

Peace,

This is childish and I did answer your question; not my fault you are still (I'll be nice) asleep;
here let's see if we can wake you out of your slumber...

Take only the first 5 as an example: http://juliusdavies.ca/andre/permutations.html
Input: 1,2,3,4,5

5 factorial = 120 combinations / 19 = 6.31578947 expected multiples which there are 5 ...
Lesson1 Table is locked into 96 start and finish 114
Lesson2 :
Pick up a piece of paper and now start with 96  and end with 114 put your number without calculating  ,flip flopping, adjustment like when you choose numbers for your lottery ticket . Do you understand ? Is it clear?
Now when you finished use computer see if you hit the code.
Then use your brain and stay away from your idols and us math knowledge tell us what is % chances for hitting the code by just simple one time trial.? Can you understand ? Is it clear?
Peace.




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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2010, 04:40:18 PM »

Peace,

start with 96  and end with 114  

Yeah sure took only 10 seconds...

Order Ch

96   1
2   2
3   3
4   4
5   5
6   6
7   7
8   8
9   9
10   10
11   11
12   12
13   13
14   14
15   15
16   16
17   17
18   18
19   19
20   20
21   21
22   22
23   23
24   24
25   25
26   26
27   27
28   28
29   29
30   30
31   31
32   32
33   33
34   34
35   35
36   36
37   37
38   38
39   39
40   40
41   41
42   42
43   43
44   44
45   45
46   46
47   47
48   48
49   49
50   50
51   51
52   52
53   53
54   54
55   55
56   56
57   57
58   58
59   59
60   60
61   61
62   62
63   63
64   64
65   65
66   66
67   67
68   68
69   69
70   70
71   71
72   72
73   73
74   74
75   75
76   76
77   77
78   78
79   79
80   80
81   81
82   82
83   83
84   84
85   85
86   86
87   87
88   88
89   89
90   90
91   91
92   92
93   93
94   94
95   95
1   96
98   97
97   98
99   99
100   100
101   101
102   102
103   103
104   104
105   105
106   106
107   107
108   108
109   109
110   110
111   111
112   112
113   113
114   114

= 19 x ...


Perhaps instead posting dumb nonsense do your own boring work finding the other septillion multiples.

Now see if you can do this from scratch...

Ch   Verses   Order

1      7      5
2      286      87
3      200      89
4      176      92
5      120      112
6      165      55
7      206      39
8      75      88
9      129      113
10      109      51
11      123      52
12      111      53
13      43      96
14      52      72
15      99      54
16      128      70
17      111      50
18      110      69
19      98      44
20      135      45
21      112      73
22      78      103
23      118      74
24      64      102
25      77      42
26      227      47
27      93      48
28      88      49
29      69      85
30      60      84
31      34      57
32      30      75
33      73      90
34      54      58
35      45      43
36      83      41
37      182      56
38      88      38
39      75      59
40      85      60
41      54      61
42      53      62
43      89      63
44      59      64
45      37      65
46      35      66
47      38      95
48      29      111
49      18      106
50      45      34
51      60      67
52      49      76
53      62      23
54      55      37
55      78      97
56      96      46
57      29      94
58      22      105
59      24      101
60      13      91
61      14      109
62      11      110
63      11      104
64      18      108
65      12      99
66      12      107
67      30      77
68      52      2
69      52      78
70      44      79
71      28      71
72      28      40
73      20      3
74      56      4
75      40      31
76      31      98
77      50      33
78      40      80
79      46      81
80      42      24
81      29      7
82      19      82
83      36      86
84      25      83
85      22      27
86      17      36
87      19      8
88      26      68
89      30      10
90      20      35
91      15      26
92      21      9
93      11      11
94      8      12
95      8      28
96      19      1
97      5      25
98      8      100
99      8      93
100      11      14
101      11      30
102      8      16
103      3      13
104      9      32
105      5      19
106      4      29
107      7      17
108      3      15
109      6      18
110      3      114
111      5      6
112      4      22
113      5      20
114      6      21
            
6555   6236   6555

= 29 x ....


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Exchange chapter & order columns see it is also a multiple of 29!

Order   Verses   Ch

5      7      1
87      286      2
89      200      3
92      176      4
112      120      5
55      165      6
39      206      7
88      75      8
113      129      9
51      109      10
52      123      11
53      111      12
96      43      13
72      52      14
54      99      15
70      128      16
50      111      17
69      110      18
44      98      19
45      135      20
73      112      21
103      78      22
74      118      23
102      64      24
42      77      25
47      227      26
48      93      27
49      88      28
85      69      29
84      60      30
57      34      31
75      30      32
90      73      33
58      54      34
43      45      35
41      83      36
56      182      37
38      88      38
59      75      39
60      85      40
61      54      41
62      53      42
63      89      43
64      59      44
65      37      45
66      35      46
95      38      47
111      29      48
106      18      49
34      45      50
67      60      51
76      49      52
23      62      53
37      55      54
97      78      55
46      96      56
94      29      57
105      22      58
101      24      59
91      13      60
109      14      61
110      11      62
104      11      63
108      18      64
99      12      65
107      12      66
77      30      67
2      52      68
78      52      69
79      44      70
71      28      71
40      28      72
3      20      73
4      56      74
31      40      75
98      31      76
33      50      77
80      40      78
81      46      79
24      42      80
7      29      81
82      19      82
86      36      83
83      25      84
27      22      85
36      17      86
8      19      87
68      26      88
10      30      89
35      20      90
26      15      91
9      21      92
11      11      93
12      8      94
28      8      95
1      19      96
25      5      97
100      8      98
93      8      99
14      11      100
30      11      101
16      8      102
13      3      103
32      9      104
19      5      105
29      4      106
17      7      107
15      3      108
18      6      109
114      3      110
6      5      111
22      4      112
20      5      113
21      6      114
            
6555   6236   6555

= 29 x ...


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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010, 12:27:17 AM »

You never can understand as you heart is beating with your idol Raheem.

Hate to intrude, as I know that remark was targeted towards Noon, but what on earth are you trying to insinuate by this accusation? I am assuming you are trying to make a joke about how in 9:128 it refers to Muhammad as Raheem, which you deny.

However, other verses in the Quran call Muhammad raheem too!!! You are committing a major blasphemy and calling the Quran a liar when you say that Muhammad was NOT raheem! How do you justify this blasphemy? Do you really disrespect the prophet that much that you will go against the Quran?

48:29 Muhammad, the messenger of God, and those who are with him, are severe against the ingrates, but merciful between themselves......

48:29  محمد رسول الله والذين معه اشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم
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Hate to intrude, as I know that remark was targeted towards Noon, but what on earth are you trying to insinuate by this accusation? I am assuming you are trying to make a joke about how in 9:128 it refers to Muhammad as Raheem, which you deny.

However, other verses in the Quran call Muhammad raheem too!!! You are committing a major blasphemy and calling the Quran a liar when you say that Muhammad was NOT raheem! How do you justify this blasphemy? Do you really disrespect the prophet that much that you will go against the Quran?

48:29 Muhammad, the messenger of God, and those who are with him, are severe against the ingrates, but merciful between themselves......

48:29  محمد رسول الله والذين معه اشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 05:29:29 AM »

Peace,

No More discussion. Smiley

A few more multiples for you...Let's take that last one I did "from scratch" and rotate the numbers 2,3,4,5 which is 4 Factorial = 24 which at least one multiple is expected and we actually got two which of course there are a septillion others...

2   3   4   5
2   3   5   4
2   4   3   5
2   4   5   3
2   5   3   4
2   5   4   3
3   2   4   5
3   2   5   4
3   4   2   5
3   4   5   2
3   5   2   4
3   5   4   2
4   2   3   5
4   2   5   3
4   3   2   5
4   3   5   2
4   5   2   3
4   5   3   2
5   2   3   4
5   2   4   3
5   3   2   4
5   3   4   2
5   4   2   3
5   4   3   2

Let's pop them into the miraculous long digit thing whatever you call it...

96      1      2      2      4      3      3      4      5      5
6677889910101111121213131414151516161717181819192020212122222323242425252626272728282929
3030313132323333343435353636373738383939404041414242434344444545464647474848494950505151
5252535354545555565657575858595960606161626263636464656566666767686869697070717172727373
7474757576767777787879798080818182828383848485858686878788888989909091919292939394949595196
979798989999100100101101102102103103104104105105106106107107108108109109110110111111112112113113114114

= 19 x ...

96      1      3      2      5      3      4      4      2      5
6677889910101111121213131414151516161717181819192020212122222323242425252626272728282929
3030313132323333343435353636373738383939404041414242434344444545464647474848494950505151
5252535354545555565657575858595960606161626263636464656566666767686869697070717172727373
7474757576767777787879798080818182828383848485858686878788888989909091919292939394949595196
979798989999100100101101102102103103104104105105106106107107108108109109110110111111112112113113114114

= 19 x ...

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So in other words, you refuse to discuss it because you know that your claim that Muhammad is not raheem is blasphemous and against the Quran. Right?
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 04:03:13 PM »

Salam alaykum,

You can try to argue and reject God's messenger all you like but facts are facts. The very premise of this forum stemmed from the teachings that God sent to the messenger of the covenant.

Like the Quran itself, the Quran's mathematical Miracle ranges from the very simple , to the very complex. The simple facts are those observations that can be
ascertained without using any tools. The complex facts require the assistance of a calculator or a computer.
The following facts do not require any tools to be verified, but please remember they all refer to the original Arabic text:

1- The first verse 1:1 known as "Basmalla" consists of 19 letters.

2-This verse was revealed to Muhammed after 74:30, which states
"Over it is 19". not a coincidence.

3-The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is 19X6.

4-The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19X334 (6234 numbered
verses and 112 unnumbered verses (Basmalla). 6234+112=6346. notice also that 6+3+4+6= 19

5-The Basmalla occurs in the Quran 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence
from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) and 114 = 19 X 6

6-From the missing Basmalla of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalla of Sura 27, there are precisely 19 Suras.

7-It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 9+10+11+12..... . +26+27) is 342, or 19X 18

8-This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmallas of
sura 27. and 342 = 19X18

9-The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of 19 words.

10-This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters, & 76=19X4

11-Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of 19 verses.

12-This first Chronological sura is placed atop the last 19 suras.

13-Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters and 304 = 19X16

14-The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of 19 words.

15-14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (Such as
A.L.M., of 2:1) and prefix 29 suras.These numbers add up to 14+14+29=57 19 X 3

16-The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic initials occur is 2+3+7....+50+68=822, and 822 +14 (14 sets of initials)=836 =19X44

17-Between the first intialed Sura (Sura 2) and the last intialed Sura (Sura 68)
there are 38 un-initialed suras , 38=19X2

18-Between the first and last initialed sura there are 19 sets of alternating
"initialed" and "uninitialed" Suras,

19-The Quran mention 30 different whole numbers throughout,
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,19,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,99,100,200,300,1000,2000,
3000,5000,50,000, & 100,000.
The sum of these numbers is 162146 = 19X8534

The following 2 facts may need some help with a calculator.

20- The word God (ALLAH) occurs throughout the Quran in its 114 Suras
2698 times and 2698= 19X142.

21-The number of verses where the word God occurs add up to 118123
also a multiple of 19, = 19X6217

22-The Quran's dominant message is that there is only "ONE GOD"
The word 'One", in Arabic "Wahid" in reference to God occurs 19 times
throughout the Quran.

23-The word "Wahid" itself, (one) has a numerical value of 19. W=6, A=1, H=8, D= 4. These are a well known values.

24-The word "Quran" occurs in the Quran 58 times, with one of them referring to
"another Quran" in 10:15, therefore, if excluded, the frequency of "this Quran" in
the Quran is 57, or 19X3

25- The first Pillar of Islam is stated in 3:18 as "La Elaaha Ella Hoo".(There is no
other God besides Him). This most important expression occurs in 19 suras.
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Like the Quran itself, the Quran's mathematical Miracle ranges from the very simple , to the very complex. The simple facts are those observations that can be
ascertained without using any tools. The complex facts require the assistance of a calculator or a computer.
The following facts do not require any tools to be verified, but please remember they all refer to the original Arabic text:


I see that you've honed your copy and paste skills adequately. Congrats.  BTW, just for future reference, please assume that all of the code 19 rejectors have actually read all of that manipulated garbage. Many of us were former believers of code 19 who wised up to the tricks and manipulation through study (like myself).

Please don't act like none of us have heard it before. K thx.


Now lets actually go through these manipulated claims:

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1- The first verse 1:1 known as "Basmalla" consists of 19 letters.

True.

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2-This verse was revealed to Muhammed after 74:30, which states
"Over it is 19". not a coincidence.

Relies on hadith. I thought you rejected all hadith? Oh wait, you just accept the ones that agree with you. Hypocrisy.

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3-The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is 19X6.

Not true. It only contains 113 (more on that in a minute, see #6)

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4-The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19X334 (6234 numbered
verses and 112 unnumbered verses (Basmalla). 6234+112=6346. notice also that 6+3+4+6= 19

Not true. It contains 6236+112 = 6348. You deleted 2 to make that "work".

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5-The Basmalla occurs in the Quran 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence
from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) and 114 = 19 X 6

True.

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6-From the missing Basmalla of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalla of Sura 27, there are precisely 19 Suras.

There is no missing Basmallah in sura 9. Sura 9 was added on to Sura 8. Back before numerals and names were added (which are both human contrivances), the only thing to seperate the Suras were the Basmallah. The text of Sura 8 was written a few years before the text of Sura 9. When the Quran was assembled, they added Sura 9 onto Sura 8, because they knew that 9 was a continuation of sura 8, that's why they have the same theme, same rhyme, same everything. Furthermore that is the reason why Sura 8 is the only sura before chapter 13 that has under 100 ayat, even though they were arranged by length. Sura 8 and 9 were meant to be 1.

Then you ask, how did they become recognized as 2 separate suras then? Well, because sura 8 was written long before sura 9, people had already memorized it. When they first heard about the text of Sura 9, they wanted to memorize it too. So in order to be able to talk about it effectively, to know what they were asking for, they created a new nickname for the text of Sura 9.. Unfortunately people started to call it by that nickname and it was refered to as a seperate sura. However, remember that because the ONLY thing seperating the Sura back then were the bismallah, and sura 9 has NO BISMALLAH, then they are actually the same sura! Meaning that there is no "missing basmallah", and there are only 113 sura.

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7-It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 9+10+11+12..... . +26+27) is 342, or 19X 18

There is no Sura 9 (well sura 10 becomes sura 9, but then Sura 27 becomes 26, and it doesn't work), and no missing basmallah.
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8-This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmallas of
sura 27. and 342 = 19X18

Ok. But there is no first 342 to base it off of.

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9-The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of 19 words.

Again, hypocritically relying on hadith when you say that you reject all of them. You even go so far as to say it's shirk to accept any of them.

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10-This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters, & 76=19X4

Relying on your dreaded hadith still.

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11-Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of 19 verses.

Keep on goin'....

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12-This first Chronological sura is placed atop the last 19 suras.

You really love hadith, don't you?
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13-Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters and 304 = 19X16

So? How do you know it was the first revealed? Oh yeah....

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14-The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of 19 words.

Ditto as above. but switch first with last.

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15-14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (Such as
A.L.M., of 2:1) and prefix 29 suras.These numbers add up to 14+14+29=57 19 X 3

False. You claim that sura Noon is not a letter, you call it a word.. But then you like to count it as a single letter when it suits you. Nice.

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16-The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic initials occur is 2+3+7....+50+68=822, and 822 +14 (14 sets of initials)=836 =19X44

When you didn't get a 19 divisible the first time, you started adding semi-relevant things til you found something which works. Not very miraculous.

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17-Between the first intialed Sura (Sura 2) and the last intialed Sura (Sura 68)
there are 38 un-initialed suras , 38=19X2

Nope. Remember, there is no sura 9. Your 1 off.

18-Between the first and last initialed sura there are 19 sets of alternating
"initialed" and "uninitialed" Suras,

Too bad they were arranged by men, not Allah.

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19-The Quran mention 30 different whole numbers throughout,
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,19,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,99,100,200,300,1000,2000,
3000,5000,50,000, & 100,000.
The sum of these numbers is 162146 = 19X8534

The following 2 facts may need some help with a calculator.

Ok.

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20- The word God (ALLAH) occurs throughout the Quran in its 114 Suras
2698 times and 2698= 19X142.

Not true. You are forgetting the Allah in 9:129.

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21-The number of verses where the word God occurs add up to 118123
also a multiple of 19, = 19X6217

Again, forgetting 9:129.

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22-The Quran's dominant message is that there is only "ONE GOD"
The word 'One", in Arabic "Wahid" in reference to God occurs 19 times
throughout the Quran.

True.

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23-The word "Wahid" itself, (one) has a numerical value of 19. W=6, A=1, H=8, D= 4. These are a well known values.

Yes, but Wahid was not spelled that way in the oldest manuscripts! There is no alif! So it only equals 18.

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24-The word "Quran" occurs in the Quran 58 times, with one of them referring to
"another Quran" in 10:15, therefore, if excluded, the frequency of "this Quran" in
the Quran is 57, or 19X3

Selective counting.

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25- The first Pillar of Islam is stated in 3:18 as "La Elaaha Ella Hoo".(There is no
other God besides Him). This most important expression occurs in 19 suras.

Unless one of them is in sura 9, then it's true.




You are left with a pitiful selection of "miracles" which are nothing less than statistical normalities which can be expected when you take a book of that size and analyze it so thoroughly, using thousands of failed trials (which you don't show).



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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2010, 06:07:06 AM »

Salaam All,

Here are some awesome facts about the math miracle of 19 and  9:128-129.

1)  The occurrence of four words of the Basmalah in the entire Quran (minus the false verses 9:128-129) happens to be in exactly 1919 verses. In order to get this number, look at each (numbered) verse of the Quran, and count the verse as one verse if it contains any of the four words of the Basmalah. For example, Verse 1:1 contains the words of "Allah," "Al-Rahman," and "Al-Raheem", but it is counted only once, not three times. Also, many verses contain multiple occurrences of these words. They are still counted as one verse. If this procedure is carried out for the entire Quran to see how many verses contain any of the four words of the Basmalah, the result is 1919. In other words, there are 1919 verses in the Quran which contains at least one of the four words of the Basmalah. This is the design of God, the Most Wise. Be He glorified.

2) Another amazing feature has to do with the word "Raheem" (Merciful). This word is used in the Quran exclusively as a name of God, and its total count is 114 (19x6), after removing the word "Raheem" of the false verse 9:128, in which "Raheem" refers to the prophet. When counting the word Raheem using the index of the words of the Quran, there are 115 occurrences. Then it was realized that one of the occurrences was in 9:128. Guess what. When the numbers of suras and verses containing 114 (19x6) words "Raheem," their total came up to be 9128. The sum points directly to the verse that doesn't belong. To the one 'Raheem' that does not belong in 9:128. Therefore, all 114 'Raheem' are divinely placed in the appropriate Sura and verse in order to come up with a sum that points directly to the one that doesn't belong. All Glory belongs to GOD!

There is nothing random about this.

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2010, 04:10:49 PM »

Peace,
Respect.

I've been reading Quran and wanted to see what I would read about, if I read 19th verse of every chapter where there is a verse number 19.
"Submitters" have rejected 9:128, 129 ....
3:19 The system with God is submission, and those who received the Book did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. And whoever rejects the revelations of God, then God is swift in judgment.

People between messenger Mohamamd and Rashad can't say they had no warners:
5:19 O people of the Book, Our messenger has come to clarify for you after a lack of messengers; so that you cannot say: No bearer of good news or warner has come to us; for a bearer of good news and a warner has come to you; and God is capable of all things.

Are "submitters" doing that?
11:19 Those who repel others from the path of God and they seek to twist it; and regarding the Hereafter they are in denial.

Who conceals 9:128, 129?
16:19 And God knows what you conceal and what you reveal.

What will happen to the rejecters?
22:19 Here are two opponents who have disputed regarding their Lord; as for those who rejected, outer garments made from fire are cut out for them, and boiling water is poured from above their heads.

Again, the rejecters:
26:19 And you did that deed you did, and you are of the rejecters.

Perfect:
35:19 The blind and the seer are not equal.

I keep reminding them, but ....
36:19 They said: Keep your welcome with you, for you have been reminded. Indeed, you are transgressing people.

Do "submitters" know deep down:
40:19 He knows what the eyes have seen, and what the chests conceal.

What did Rashad Khalifa say about angels?
43:19 And they have claimed the angels who are with the Almighty are females! Have they been made witness to their creation? We will record their testimony, and they will be asked.

Should I ask forgivness for my ex-fiancee:
47:19 So know that there is no god besides God, and ask forgiveness of your sins and also for the believing males and the believing females. And God knows your movements and your place of rest.

Best verse against Rashad and his counting:
58:19 The devil has overtaken them, and has caused them to forget the remembrance of God. These are the party of the devil. Absolutely, the party of the devil are the losers.

Again:
59:19 And do not be like those who forgot God, so He made them forget themselves. These are the wicked.

Chapters 49 and 64 have ONLY 18 verses.

Some "submitters" are opposing me just on this forum, on the htread about Rashad and code19:
72:19 And when the servant of God stood up to call on Him, they nearly banded to oppose him.

Did R.K. think he would succeed?
74:19 So woe to him for how he thought.

God explains, not Rashad:
75:19 Then it is for Us to explain it.

Followers of Rashad think/believe that 128, 129 of chapter 9 are satanic:
81:19 It is the saying of an honorable messenger.

Quesyion to "submitters":
83:19 And do you know what is Elliyeen?

Beautiful:
84:19 You will ride a platform upon a platform.

Read this verse and others after it:
85:19 No, those who rejected are in denial.
 
Beautiful:
90:19 As for those who rejected Our revelations, they are the people of misery.

Wanna obey Rashad Khalifa?
96:19 So do not obey him, prostrate and come near.

Chapter 99 and chapter 100 - together make 19 verses.
So?

Chapters 101 and 102 also make 19 verses together.
Wanna play with numbers or obey God?

Original Quran had no numbers to count.
Did Rashad count the word Allah in every In the name of Allah ....?

God knows bets.
Peace.
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39:53 Say: “O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of God\'s mercy. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.”
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