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Is there a limit on the number of women one can marry?

Yes 1,
18 (32.7%)
Yes 4,
17 (30.9%)
As many as one can manage.
9 (16.4%)
No.
2 (3.6%)
Other, what?
9 (16.4%)

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Mazhar

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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2008, 01:56:26 PM »
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Doing justice is not a condition restricted to this verse, and is not even a condition. it is an obligation, even if one does not have to marry (mothers of the yataama) or not marry at all.

Sister if first is the condition وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ how the other is not condition فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً

I could not understand.

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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2008, 03:15:05 PM »
Only 1! There is no excuse/condition for having more than 1 at the same time.
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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2008, 04:45:35 PM »
Salaams,

isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?

004.003
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Second point to note is the history of other prophets who did have many wives and not just four - Solomon, David e.t.c

What say you?

Thanks.

God Bless.

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I feel that this verse really means that if you feel are you can be as Muhammad then do marry more than one, but if you cannot, then be content with just one.

Essentially we can only marry one.

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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2008, 05:58:45 PM »
Salaams All,

Some good statements, but would love some quranic evidance from those who say Only 1!.

And sister Samia How can you neglect what david or solomon did unless you don't believe their history, arn't prophets examples for humanity for All Time.

Thanks.




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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 07:17:11 PM »
Salaam alaikum.

Salaams,

isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?

004.003
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.


This particular verse is restricting nikah to only one woman, but only in case yatama. There is no restriction otherwise, imho.

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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2008, 07:42:42 PM »
Assalaam Alaikum


Excellent topic Simple. Unfortunately, (for the Men) the polgamy reference in Sura Nisa 4:3 is a mistranslation in english and misinterpretation along with a 'lustful' fallacy developed by Men.

Allah makes it clear.....

[An-Nur 24.32] MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.

وَأَنكِحُوا الْأَيَامَى مِنكُمْ وَالصَّالِحِينَ مِنْ عِبَادِكُمْ وَإِمَائِكُمْ إِن يَكُونُوا فُقَرَاء يُغْنِهِمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ

Thus the ayah An-Nur 24.32 destroys the polygamous fallacy.

If the female Musilimah's gave the married Males who approach them Sura An-Nur 24.32, the fallacy and misinterpretation would cease to exist.

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Now for those Men who believe they can still practice Polygamy, 'because Muhammad did'


Allah addresses these Men in the following Sura and ayahs....


[Al-Ahzab 33.37] Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha  / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allah

wa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha [should be humble] alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahu [to show humility, be fearful, submissive]  

fa  lamma [recitify or repair what was disordered] qada [decree or judgement has brought an end to ] zaydun[excesses] minha [from the FEMALE] wataran [one’s SINGLE desire or need] zawwaj nakaha [Female for Marriage] li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan


وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِي أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِي فِي نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَن تَخْشَاهُ فَلَمَّا قَضَى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنَاكَهَا لِكَيْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِي أَزْوَاجِ أَدْعِيَائِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا



Any excesses (i.e. polygamy, oppressing women, etc.) that were practiced in regards to females and marriage have now ENDED and those practices should cease.


[Al-Ahzab 33.50] O those who believe in the Prophet! ....ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU, AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS / waimraatan muminatan in wahabat nafsaha lilnnabiyyi in arada alnnabiyyu an yastankihaha/  يَسْتَنكِحَهَا   khalisatan/ خَالِصَةً  laka min dooni almumineena

Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)

Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah  (applied to a Human)
Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
Online Single Page http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa)

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Sorry (ladies) gentlemen, Allah makes it clear you can nolonger practice excesses and marry all the women you want. The exclusive right to practice polygamy in its true sense was ONLY relegated to the Prophets of Allah

Now we can address Sura Nisa 4:3 in light of the truth.

[Saba' 34.49] Say. "The Truth has arrived, and FALSEHOOD NEITHER CREATES ANYTHING NEW, NOR RESTORES ANYTHING."

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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2008, 07:53:23 PM »
Assalaam Alaikum

Before we address Sura Nisa 4:3....

Allah continues to address the Men who still insist on 'slipping' by with 'exchanging' and changing their wife or wives for others.....*amazing Allah knows Men are lustful and rebellious*


[Al-Ahzab 33.52] It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.

La yahillu laka alnnisaa min baAAdu wala an tabaddala bihinna min azwajin walaw aAAjabaka husnuhunna illa ma malakat yameenuka wakana Allahu AAala kulli shayin raqeeban

لَا يَحِلُّ لَكَ النِّسَاء مِن بَعْدُ وَلَا أَن تَبَدَّلَ بِهِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَكَ حُسْنُهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ رَّقِيبً


Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either..... ;)
[Saba' 34.49] Say. "The Truth has arrived, and FALSEHOOD NEITHER CREATES ANYTHING NEW, NOR RESTORES ANYTHING."

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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2008, 08:26:59 PM »
Assalaam Alaikum

Ok Lets just jump to the chase....

I will NOT post the english translation, because EVERYONE I have encountered is wrong.....

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاء مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ

[Al-Nisa'a 4.3]  Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa inkihoo {MA TABA lakum minna alnnisai mathna wathulatha warubaAAa} fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fawahidatan aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo

[Al-Nisa'a 4.3]  Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo


It is Ma = NOT Taba = good/lawful Lakum =TO/For YOU to be given the Minna = favor/gift/blessing/benefit of Al Nisai = (get married to) Women Mathna = 2, Thulatha = 3, and Rubaa = 4 TIMES


IT IS  NOT LAWFUL to  divorce get married, divorce get married, divorce get married again and divorce and get married again (and in doing so leave a family behind EACH time!)

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Al Yatama does NOT mean 'orphan'....

“Al” (adataatarif) is a Definite Article أداة التعريف, used to give the meaning of ‘Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.

yatama [noun, plural] sole, unmatched, single, lonely, jaded, one withoutparents; Root word atamm means more complete, more perfect, perfectly prepared, totally ready; Root word Tamm meaning consummate, of full value, self contained, needing no completion; Root word Tamma means to or become complete, completed, finished, done, to be performed, be accomplished, to come to an end;
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. page 117-118 (tamma)

When Allah references 'orphans' Allah uses the word 'yateem'

Al-Insan/Al-Dahr 76.8] And for His love they feed the food to the miskeen / the needy (who is reduced to poverty) and the yateem / orphan and aseer / captive.

[Al-Fajr 89.17] No, No! but you honour not the orphans / al-yateema!

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mathna wa thulatha wa rubaAAa does not mean two three and four because two, three and four in Arabic are: ithnaan, thalatha and arbaa' and not mathna, thulatha and rubaa

ithnan means 2 thalatha means 3 arba’a means 4

Allah confirms the definitive use of ALL these cardinal / ordinal number references in the following ayahs

[Al-Fatir/Mala'ik 35.1] Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two/ mathna, or three/ thulatha, or four/ rubaAAa. He adds to Creation as He pleases. for Allah has power over all things.

[Al-Ma'idah 5.106] O you who believe! When death approaches any of you, (take) witnesses among yourselves when making bequests,- two / ithnani just men of your own

[An-Nur 24.58] O, you who believe those whom your right possess and those among you who have not reach puberty, ask permission from you three /  thalatha times/repetitions / marratin

[Al-Baqarah 2.226] For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four / arbaAAati

sadeeqal atheemi / Allah has revealed the truth



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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2008, 08:56:18 PM »
Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either..... ;)

What you posted above is not applicable to believers and only pertains to the Prophet.

Read in context...

33:50-52 O Prophet! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal gift/money), and those whom your right hand possesses - whom Allâh has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Ammat (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khâlat (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khâl (maternal aunts) who migrated with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allâh is Ever Oft¬Forgiving, Most Merciful. You can postpone whom you will of them, and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside, it is no sin on you, that is better that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. Allâh knows what is in your hearts. And Allâh is Ever All¬Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for you women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those whom your right hand possesses. And Allâh is Ever a Watcher over all things.


For believers some prohibitions are below including not marrying two sisters at the same time...

4:23 Your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your paternal aunts, and your maternal aunts, and the brothers' daughters (nieces), and the sisters' daughters (nieces), and your mothers who breast fed you, and your sisters from the breast feeding, and your women's (wives') mothers (mothers in-law), and your step- daughters who (are) in your custody from your women (wives) whom you entered with them, are forbidden on you, so if you were not entered with them, so no offense/sin on you, and (also forbidden on you are) your sons' allowed/permitted women (wives) whom (are) from your backbones/genealogical relations, and that you combine between the two sisters, except what had preceded, that God was/is forgiving, merciful.



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Re: Number of wives?
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 09:22:15 PM »
Assalaam Alaikum @Nun de plume

With all due respect, did you actually 'read' and 'consider' what I posted? Personally, I dont argue translations, Im sorry.
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