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Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 18, 2014, 05:17:22 AM
If 3 balls numbered 1, 2, and 3 randomly picked sequence probability is multiple?
A.   Permutations without repetition (n=3 r=3)
List has 6 entries.
.....   7   19   
123   ?   ?
132   ?   ?
213   ?   ?
231   33   ?
312   ?   ?
321   ?   ?
               
Probability = total desired outcomes (# multiples) / total possible outcomes (6)
Probability multiple of 7 = 1/6
Probability multiple of 19 = 0
Divide by 7    19.00   37.00
123.00   
132.00   
231.00   33.00   
213.00   
312.00   
321.00   
   
456.00            24.00 
QuoteProbability multiple of 19 = 0
!!!
465.00   
564.00   
546.00   78.00   
654.00   
645.00   

789.00   
798.00   114.00   42.00   
879.00   
897.00   
987.00   141.00 
Quote
Probability multiple of 19 = 0
Probability multiple of 7 = 1/6
here is  2/6   !!! and again another 19 !!!
978.00
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Bahman on October 18, 2014, 10:00:30 AM
   Divide by 7    19.00   37.00
456.00            24.00    !!!
465.00   
564.00   
546.00   78.00   
654.00   
645.00   

Dear Bahman, where you get 456 or higher numbers if only using 1, 2, and 3?

I wrote exactly this as an example:
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 18, 2014, 05:17:22 AM
If 3 balls numbered 1, 2, and 3 randomly picked sequence probability is multiple?

http://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html

A.   Permutations without repetition (n=3 r=3)
List has 6 entries.
.....   7   19   
123   ?   ?
132   ?   ?
213   ?   ?
231   33   ?
312   ?   ?
321   ?   ?
               
Probability = total desired outcomes (# multiples) / total possible outcomes (6)
Probability multiple of 7 = 1/6
Probability multiple of 19 = 0

If 3 balls numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 randomly picked sequence probability is multiple?

Use permutation calculator: http://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html

Permutations without repetition (n=9, r=3)

List has 504 entries.
504 x 1/7 = 72 are expected; actual multiples of 7 found  = 72

504 x 1/19 = 26.526 expected; actual multiples of 19 found = 22

504 x 1/37 = 13.621 expected; actual multiples of 37 found = 12

Perhaps now you understand probability of randomly choosing a verse and shuffling.

1.   ch, v, gv
2.   ch, gv, v
3.   v, ch, gv
4.   v, gv, ch
5.   gv, ch, v
6.   gv, v, ch

gv = random number
ch = 1 to 114
v = 1 to 286

Again, test next 10 verses see probability "on average" of multiple is 1/7, 1/19, 1/37, etc.


Bahman

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 18, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
Dear Bahman, where you get 456 or higher numbers if only using 1, 2, and 3?

I wrote exactly this as an example:
If 3 balls numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 randomly picked sequence probability is multiple?

Peace
The case is  about 3 values not 9 values. and 3 values 3x2x1=6 combinations
Your claim for 1/7 should have at least 7 combinations, and for 19 once, should have at least 19 combinations , but you see how  we have 19 in six combinations and 7 for 2 times .
my work is based on 3 values not 9   I used 3 examples using 1-9 now you can try different like
3 6 1  =19x19  six combination
316
613
631
163
136
or like
722 =19x19x2  3 combinations
272
227
your calculation  for 1/7 , 1/19 by using 9 values is  average and not every 7 or 19 .....as we see it happens even in 3 combinations
peace




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Bahman

If their rejection gets to be too much for you, you should know that even if you dug a tunnel through the earth, or climbed a ladder into the sky, and produced a miracle for them (they still would not believe). Had God willed, He could have guided them, unanimously. Therefore, do not behave like the ignorant ones. 6:35

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Bahman

Quote from: Bahman on October 18, 2014, 06:25:33 PM
If their rejection gets to be too much for you, you should know that even if you dug a tunnel through the earth, or climbed a ladder into the sky, and produced a miracle for them (they still would not believe). Had God willed, He could have guided them, unanimously. Therefore, do not behave like the ignorant ones. 6:35
وَإِن كانَ كَبُرَ عَلَيكَ إِعراضُهُم فَإِنِ استَطَعتَ أَن تَبتَغِىَ نَفَقًا فِى الأَرضِ أَو سُلَّمًا فِى السَّماءِ فَتَأتِيَهُم بِـٔايَةٍ وَلَو شاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَمَعَهُم عَلَى الهُدىٰ فَلا تَكونَنَّ مِنَ الجٰهِلينَ
6150 20150 202200 70301020 1702001800540 80150 160400970400 150 4002400100010 50801001 8010 1301200800 16 6030401 8010 130604011 80400140010540 211105 6306 30011 130305 3034070540 703010 1305410 80301 4002065050 4050 13035301050,6,35
=19x...........
This verse has 28 words 7x4
and  has 114 letters = 19x6

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Bahman

Quote from: Bahman on October 18, 2014, 06:40:59 PM
وَإِن كانَ كَبُرَ عَلَيكَ إِعراضُهُم فَإِنِ استَطَعتَ أَن تَبتَغِىَ نَفَقًا فِى الأَرضِ أَو سُلَّمًا فِى السَّماءِ فَتَأتِيَهُم بِـٔايَةٍ وَلَو شاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَمَعَهُم عَلَى الهُدىٰ فَلا تَكونَنَّ مِنَ الجٰهِلينَ
6150 20150 202200 70301020 1702001800540 80150 160400970400 150 4002400100010 50801001 8010 1301200800 16 6030401 8010 130604011 80400140010540 211105 6306 30011 130305 3034070540 703010 1305410 80301 4002065050 4050 13035301050,6,35
=19x...........
This verse has 28 words 7x4
and  has 114 letters = 19x6

35,28 words 114 letters     word 1  has 3 letters  gv   6150  total 57  word  2 3 20150 71 3 3 202200 222 4 4 70301020 130 5 7 1702001800540 1117 6 3 80150 131 7 6 160400970400 940 8 2 150 51 9 5 4002400100010 1812 10 4 50801001 231 11 2 8010 90 12 5 1301200800 1032 13 2 16 7 14 4 6030401 131 15 2 8010 90 16 6 130604011 133 17 7 80400140010540 936 18 5 211105 19 19 3 6306 42 20 3 30011 302 21 4 130305 66 22 6 3034070540 188 23 3 703010 110 24 5 1305410 50 25 3 80301 111 26 5 4002065050 526 27 2 4050 90 28 7 13035301050 129,6
7x.....

28 114 1 3 6150 57 2 3 20150 71 3 3 202200 222 4 4 70301020 130 5 7 1702001800540 1117 6 3 80150 131 7 6 160400970400 940 8 2 150 51 9 5 4002400100010 1812 10 4 50801001 231 11 2 8010 90 12 5 1301200800 1032 13 2 16 7 14 4 6030401 131 15 2 8010 90 16 6 130604011 133 17 7 80400140010540 936 18 5 211105 19 19 3 6306 42 20 3 30011 302 21 4 130305 66 22 6 3034070540 188 23 3 703010 110 24 5 1305410 50 25 3 80301 111 26 5 4002065050 526 27 2 4050 90 28 7 13035301050 129,6,35,
7x........

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Noon waalqalami

Dear Bahman :(

It's amazing that you cannot learn simple probability which young kids understand. In addition, it?s always those that are the most ignorant of basic math skills which are infatuated with numerology.

Probability = total desired outcomes (i.e. # multiples or things which make you happy :yes) / total all possible outcomes

I gave you an example using the first 10 verses and instead of ignoring perhaps do next 10 verses, etc. and see that on average probability is 1/7, 1/11, 1/13, 1/19, 1/23, 1/29, ... etc. multiples depending on the number being used which lately you like 7 since you'll get happy :yes on average every 7 attempts/trials.

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 18, 2014, 05:17:22 AM
Now back to initial topic which above is not same; you randomly choose a verse and shuffled:

1.   ch, v, gv
2.   ch, gv, v
3.   v, ch, gv
4.   v, gv, ch
5.   gv, ch, v
6.   gv, v, ch

gv = random number
ch = 1 to 114
v = 1 to 286

Therefore, since most are large unknown if multiple perform trial choose 10 verses.
6 trials per verse = 60 how many 7 & 19 multiples expected? Here are first 10 verses.
Enter X = number; Y = 7, 19 hit "mod"
http://www.javascripter.net/math/calculators/100digitbigintcalculator.htm

7   19               
:(   :(   1   1   26040 130305 13020084050 13020081040      
:(   :(   1   2   1308404 30305 2002 1307030401050      
:(   :(   1   3   13020084050 13020081040      
:yes   :(   1   4   403020 10640 13041050      
:(   :(   1   5   110120 507024 6110120 5060400701050      
:yes   :(   1   6   154501 130902009 13040604001001040      
:(   :(   1   7   902009 1307001050 1507040400 703010540 100010200 13040100080062 703010540 6301 1308001301050      
:(   :(   2   1   13040      
:(   :(   2   2   7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050      
:yes   :(   2   3   1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650      
                  
:(   :(   1   1   26040 130305 13020084050 13020081040      
:(   :(   2   1   1308404 30305 2002 1307030401050      
:(   :(   3   1   13020084050 13020081040      
:(   :(   4   1   403020 10640 13041050      
:(   :(   5   1   110120 507024 6110120 5060400701050      
:(   :(   6   1   154501 130902009 13040604001001040      
:(   :(   7   1   902009 1307001050 1507040400 703010540 100010200 13040100080062 703010540 6301 1308001301050      
:(   :(   1   2   13040      
:(   :(   2   2   7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050      
:(   :(   3   2   1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650      
                  
:(   :(   -   1   26040 130305 13020084050 13020081040   1   
:(   :(   -   1   1308404 30305 2002 1307030401050   2   
:(   :(   -   1   13020084050 13020081040   3   
:(   :(   -   1   403020 10640 13041050   4   
:(   :(   -   1   110120 507024 6110120 5060400701050   5   
:yes   :(   -   1   154501 130902009 13040604001001040   6   
:(   :(   -   1   902009 1307001050 1507040400 703010540 100010200 13040100080062 703010540 6301 1308001301050   7   
:yes   :(   -   2   13040   1   
:yes   :(   -   2   7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050   2   
:(   :(   -   2   1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650   3   
                  
:(   :(   -   1   26040 130305 13020084050 13020081040   1   
:(   :(   -   2   1308404 30305 2002 1307030401050   1   
:(   :(   -   3   13020084050 13020081040   1   
:(   :(   -   4   403020 10640 13041050   1   
:(   :(   -   5   110120 507024 6110120 5060400701050   1   
:(   :(   -   6   154501 130902009 13040604001001040   1   
:(   :(   -   7   902009 1307001050 1507040400 703010540 100010200 13040100080062 703010540 6301 1308001301050   1   
:yes   :(   -   1   13040   2   
:yes   :(   -   2   7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050   2   
:(   :(   -   3   1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650   2   
                  
:(   :(   -   -   26040 130305 13020084050 13020081040   1   1
:(   :yes   -   -   1308404 30305 2002 1307030401050   1   2
:(   :yes   -   -   13020084050 13020081040   1   3
:yes   :(   -   -   403020 10640 13041050   1   4
:(   :yes   -   -   110120 507024 6110120 5060400701050   1   5
:(   :(   -   -   154501 130902009 13040604001001040   1   6
:(   :(   -   -   902009 1307001050 1507040400 703010540 100010200 13040100080062 703010540 6301 1308001301050   1   7
:(   :(   -   -   13040   2   1
:(   :(   -   -   7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050   2   2
:(   :(   -   -   1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650   2   3
      -   -         
:(   :(   -   -   26040 130305 13020084050 13020081040   1   1
:(   :(   -   -   1308404 30305 2002 1307030401050   2   1
:(   :(   -   -   13020084050 13020081040   3   1
:(   :(   -   -   403020 10640 13041050   4   1
:(   :(   -   -   110120 507024 6110120 5060400701050   5   1
:(   :(   -   -   154501 130902009 13040604001001040   6   1
:(   :yes   -   -   902009 1307001050 1507040400 703010540 100010200 13040100080062 703010540 6301 1308001301050   7   1
:(   :(   -   -   13040   1   2
:(   :(   -   -   7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050   2   2
:(   :(   -   -   1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650   3   2


Total = 9 multiple of 7 (60 x 1/7 = 8.571) as expected!
Total = 4 multiple of 19 (60 x 1/19 = 3.157) expected!

Within predictable probability reason to show failed trails.

2:18 صم deaf بكم dumb عمى blind فهم so they لا not ىرجعون returning (19 letters! :yes)

7   19               
:(    :(    2   18   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650      
:(    :(    18   2   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650      
:(    :yes         9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   2   18
:(    :(          9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   18   2
:(    :(       2   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   18   
:yes   :(       18   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   2   

Peace!

Bahman

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 19, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
Dear Bahman :(

It's amazing that you cannot learn simple probability which young kids understand. In addition, it?s always those that are the most ignorant of basic math skills which are infatuated with numerology.

Probability = total desired outcomes (i.e. # multiples or things which make you happy :yes) / total all possible outcomes

I gave you an example using the first 10 verses and instead of ignoring perhaps do next 10 verses, etc. and see that on average probability is 1/7, 1/11, 1/13, 1/19, 1/23, 1/29, ... etc. multiples depending on the number being used which lately you like 7 since you'll get happy :yes on average every 7 attempts/trials.


2:18 صم deaf بكم dumb عمى blind فهم so they لا not ىرجعون returning (19 letters! :yes)

7   19               
:(    :(    2   18   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650      
:(    :(    18   2   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650      
:(    :yes         9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   2   18
:(    :(          9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   18   2
:(    :(       2   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   18   
:yes   :(       18   9040 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650   2   

Peace!

Peace
Now you are using Quran verses to show that code do not exist and you have been destined to pick the one that explains your situation, by minor change it does not have more security . i moved out only one digit of 4  and no more multiple 
2,18,900 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650
How you explain this ?
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Bahman on October 19, 2014, 07:08:10 PM
...by minor change it does not have more security . i moved out only one digit of 4  and no more multiple
2,18,900 22040 704010 80540 301 10200370650

Peace Dear Bahman :( this is beyond naive since about every other verse is NOT multiple...


1.   ch, v, gv
2.   ch, gv, v
3.   v, ch, gv
4.   v, gv, ch
5.   gv, ch, v
6.   gv, v, ch

gv = random number
ch = 1 to 114
v = 1 to 286

Enter X = number; Y = 19 hit "mod"
http://www.javascripter.net/math/calculators/100digitbigintcalculator.htm

19
:( 1 4 403020 10640 13041050
:( 4 1 403020 10640 13041050
:( - 1 403020 10640 13041050 4
:( - 4 403020 10640 13041050 1
:( - - 403020 10640 13041050 1 4
:( - - 403020 10640 13041050 4 1

:( 1 6 154501 130902009 13040604001001040
:( 6 1 154501 130902009 13040604001001040
:( - 1 154501 130902009 13040604001001040 6
:( - 6 154501 130902009 13040604001001040 1
:( - - 154501 130902009 13040604001001040 1 6
:( - - 154501 130902009 13040604001001040 6 1

:( 2 1 13040
:( 1 2 13040
:( - 2 13040 1
:( - 1 13040 2
:( - - 13040 2 1
:( - - 13040 1 2

:( 2 2 7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050
:( 2 2 7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050
:( - 2 7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050 2
:( - 2 7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050 2
:( - - 7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050 2 2
:( - - 7003020 130204002 301 200102 80105 5410 3030404001001050 2 2

:( 2 3 1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650
:( 3 2 1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650
:( - 2 1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650 3
:( - 3 1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650 2
:( - - 1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650 2 3
:( - - 1307001050 1064050650 21301000102 6101001040650 130903065 640401 200710050540 105080100650 3 2


Bahman

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 20, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
Peace Dear Bahman :( this is beyond naive since about every other verse is NOT multiple...

gv = random number

Peace
You chose random GV
Here is real one  GV  :)
you may use knowledge and explain why God  authored Q as initial ? :)





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