Please be objective in your discussion. We are discussing Hafs and Warsh. You decided to throw in a distorted copy of the Quran and then, falsly, claimed it was Warsh! In-fact, had you ever bothered to study th Tashkent you would know it is a discredeted copy of the Quran laden with textual errors and mistakes.
JK- Who declared it so, sunni and shia?
And yes, the count of `Allah` is the only point here because that was the driving force behind Rashad doing a u-turn and deleting the 2 verses so as to make the data fit.
JK- RK didnt count using warsh. Abdul Baqi also didnt count using warsh. He included the 1:1 in his count, as bro Edip mentioned clearly and youc an ask him again if you want, but then he forgot to include it in his final count so it became 2698. RK made the same mistake in another verse where he missed counting a word "allah". AGAIN AND AGAIN rbo Edip has mentioned this and again and again you wont listen.
Finally, on your comment about `Rahman` the answer is neither 56 nor 57, but 169 occurances.
JK- How come now you suddenly included all 112 unnumbered Bismillahs plus even 1:1 whilst for the word "allah" you didnt? What is this now? ARE YOU PLAYING AROUND WITH ME?
There are `marks` (not spaces) which can be argued to justify the numbering. And converting the marks to numbers yeilds the following structure:
I think you really need to define what the Quran is to you as it is clear we do not agree on this point (I believe the 113 Basmalla`s are part and parcel of the revelaed Quran while you seem to believe you can ignore 112 of these and treat them as if they were a seperate revelation!).
JK- i believe the Quran to be the one almost like hafs minus 9:128-129 i.e. with 6346 verses, a "siin" in bastatan instead of "saad" and the noon spelled out "noon waw noon" at the beginning of Chapter 60. THIS is also what i predict the oldest Quran would look like especially the lack of 9:128&129 whilst all other hafs verses there.
?! I am counting the 112 occurances of `Allah` that you and other 19 proponents convientntly ignore.
JK- Wernt you the one who boasted we could get 2698 "allah" counts with warsh? ALSO we excluded 112 Bismillahs FOR ALL THREE ATTRIBUTES CONSITENTLY. If we counted "allah" excluding those 112 and then again counted "rahman" including them ONLY THEN WLD YOU HAVE A POINT. HOW many times do i have to mention this?
You want to talk `Allah` numbers with me: it will have to be 2811 or 2810 (neither of which works as a 19 multiple).
JK- As i said all three words in the Bism were counted consistently excluding 112. By this GOD is indicating that although those 112 Bismillahs are part of the Quran, as known by the initial count where they are included, they are unnumbered and hence the words in the are not counted.
I do my own analysis (see 17:36). And my analysis shows the methods used by those who remove the 2 verses to be extremely flawed.
JK- It's been three years now and always youve shied away from discusiing this with bro Edip. I wonder why? Everything is crystal clear as ive shown over and over. GOD Bless!