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Why Remove 9:127&129?

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morningdew:

--- Quote from: Layth on July 21, 2008, 08:24:50 AM ---Salam,

I see this as the key issue which pushes most people away from the subject of `19` without giving it its due research.

Most people assume wrongly that 19 means you remove 2 verses from the Quran.

Recall, in the 70`s & 80`s, no one had a problem to embrace the 19 sign - before the 2 verses issue.

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\\peace to all.

I did not read all the replies so maybe my thoughts have already been thought about  and I see this was started in 2008 however, I will give my input.

Removing the verses because they did not fit was not the place of anyone. The Quran does say it is preserved.

I agree with the above quote.

Just because we do not understand how the two verses fit does not mean they do not fit.

Sometimes we at first do not understand our creator.

Noon waalqalami:

--- Quote from: morningdew on August 22, 2012, 12:23:28 AM ---\\peace to all.

I did not read all the replies so maybe my thoughts have already been thought about  and I see this was started in 2008 however, I will give my input.

Removing the verses because they did not fit was not the place of anyone. The Quran does say it is preserved.

I agree with the above quote.

Just because we do not understand how the two verses fit does not mean they do not fit.

Sometimes we at first do not understand our creator.

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Peace -- there is no code with or without the two verses; that unproven nonsense and numerology.

navidfa:
For anybody who claims "there is no code". Let's just take a basic example:

Why is the first revelation 19 (19x1) words? 76 letters? 19x4?
Why is the first chapter revealed 19 verses? 304 letters? 19x16?
Why is it 19th from the end?

Why are 29 chapters initialed with letters that are all multiples of 19 in their respective chapters? and interlocking?
Is this a coincidence?
The probability is (1/19)^29=0.
I am going to go with the more likely scenario, it was designed this way.

We didn't choose 19, God did (74:30).

There is infinite more data, no need to show. Point has been made, if you cannot see this, then you are just a disturbed disbeliever per 74:31

abdalquran:
Sorry but this is all circular logic.

It's you who chose the 'first revelation', The Quran itself never says it.

It's you who claims its the first chapter revealed. Again the Quran never says it.

It's you who claims its the 19th sura from the end. If you count Chapters 8 and 9 as one sura, it'd be 20th from the end.

As for 74/30, it has nothing to do with a code. Rather it's about the number of angels over saqara.

Sorry mate  :peace:

navidfa:
You are one lost soul man.