Why Remove 9:127&129?

[mmkhan]

Thats the reason why i splitted the quran verses in 2 parts and the result is: First part begins with 19 letters and second part begins also with 19 letters! Coincidence ??

Salaam,

Please don't take it wrong. As per your post it seems that we can use any figure from AlQuraan to set anything, like:

90:8 اَلَمۡ نَجۡعَلۡ لَّہٗ عَیۡنَیۡنِ
90:8    Did We not make for him two eyes?

There is only One Land + One Ocean = Two

90:9 وَ لِسَانًا وَّ شَفَتَیۡنِ
90:9    And a tongue and two lips?

There is only One God AND One Rasool + One Nabi = Two

90:10 وَ ہَدَیۡنٰہُ النَّجۡدَیۡنِ
90:10    And We guided him to both paths?

There is only One Good + One Bad = Two

In this way, anyone can make anything.. isn't it? Or you can change and divide

AlQuraan + AlKitaab = Two
One Big Part from AlQuraan + Two small parts from AlQuraan = 90:9

May Allah guide us all to His true path 
mmKhan

[Hanif19]

Salam Brother

Brother, the same aayat 53:30 I can quote for you. That is not the correct way to discuss.

I quoted 53:30 also to my self. i hope you dont misunderstand me too

The values of of letters exists before islam in most of semitic languages, especially Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic. Before the arabs had the numbers from india they used to make there calculations with letters according to ABGD system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
The greeks used same method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_numerals
The hebrew Thorah still uses the same numeric system by numbering the verses: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

Here is the table of gematrical values of the arabic letters:

Please don't take it wrong. As per your post it seems that we can use any figure from AlQuraan to set anything, like

The system called "polarity", also used in medicine to balance and harmony soul and body: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarity_therapy

55.7 And He raised the sky and He established the balance الميزان [AL MYZAN] (scale, balance, libra)

Balance is always 2 sided and it exists in nature, even the Quran or AlFurqan has a balance like the sky. One and Nine (1-9) are balance as well
God Him Self need no balance. HE is The One and ALL

Salam

[Hanif19]

Salam mmkhan

In this way, anyone can make anything.. isn't it? Or you can change and divide

please see the 3 pdf files talking about the static miracle (sorry only in german language, but easy to understand):

Part1, part2, part3

I dont agree to all results but most of them are realy amazing. i also dont agree to the word "miracle", for me they are all signs from God to let us understand, that every thing in the creation has his own number:

72.28 So that He knows that they have delivered the messages of their Lord, and He surrounds all that is with them, and He has counted the number of all things.

Sorry, it seems that the image for the gematrical values of the arabic letters is not working. Here again:


Salam

[nobuddy]

I'm sorry, i have no answers for you. I only thought to share ideas with free minded people, but i was wrong

Like the rest obsessed with number when asked simple questions you ran.

I asked how do you know using code it is chapter 103 not chapter 108/110?
Tell using code if 20:1  9 5 طه is correct? Why not reverse? 20:1  5 9 هط

Thats the reason why i splitted the quran verses in 2 parts and the result is: First part begins with 19 letters and second part begins also with 19 letters!

Already answered and like the rest you are only attracted to your own multiples.

•   Same applies removing any two verses 7:85 to 17:51 and other combinations
•   Excluding 112 titles is not consistent; make up your mind to include or exclude
•   Words is not consistent; # of letters is not multiple, again make up your mind
•   Neither is the total gv a multiple and neither is the sum of chapters a multiple

Coincidence ??

As i said, if you agree or not, its to your own benefits

To your benefit learn what you are doing don't be an ignorant flipping digits!

9:128-129 included and one can find multiples to infinitum...

123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129
= 19 x...!

9:128 لقد جاءكم رسول من انفسكم عزيز عليه ما عنتم حريص عليكم بالمومنين رءوف رحيم
9 301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040 9 = 19 x...!

9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبى الله لا اله الا هو عليه توكلت وهو رب العرش العظيم
9 80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 9 = 19 x...!           

9128129 301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 9128129 = 19 x 19 x...!

91289129 = 19 x 4804691

9 + 128 + 129 = 266 (14 x 19!)

19th word is Allah!

Total letters 60 + 54 = 114 (6 x 19!) This is same as even and odd in Qur'an!

76th letter (76 = 19 x 4) is Alif in Allah which has 4 letters!

9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبى الله – #of letters from beginning of verse to including Allah = 19!

GV from Allah to end is multiple...

130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040       = 19 x …!

Likewise, with word count included...

9128129 301004 1 3112040 2 20060630 3 4050 4 15080602040 5 707107 6 7030105 7 401 8 705040040 9 82001090 10 
7030102040 11 213040640501050 12 2001680 13 20081040 14 80150 15 40063061 16 8010030 17 860210 18 130305 19
301 20 1305 21 1301 22 56 23 7030105 24 40062030400 25 656 26 2002 27 13070200300 28 130709001040 29 9128129   
= 19 x...!

9:128-129 from 19th word Allah to end of chapter 9 ....

130305 19 301 20 1305 21 1301 22 56 23 7030105 24 40062030400 25 656 26 2002 27 13070200300 28 130709001040 29 = 19 x...!

Peace and best wishes!

[mmkhan]

The values of of letters exists before islam in most of semitic languages, especially Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic. Before the arabs had the numbers from india they used to make there calculations with letters according to ABGD system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
The greeks used same method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_numerals
The hebrew Thorah still uses the same numeric system by numbering the verses: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

Salaam brother,

Do we need there help to understand AlQuraan? Are they all not man-made? And those values are not even in sequence to the Arabic letters. Does AlQuraan supports it in any ways? I don't think so brother.

The system called "polarity", also used in medicine to balance and harmony soul and body: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarity_therapy

55.7 And He raised the sky and He established the balance الميزان [AL MYZAN] (scale, balance, libra)

Balance is always 2 sided and it exists in nature, even the Quran or AlFurqan has a balance like the sky. One and Nine (1-9) are balance as well
God Him Self need no balance. HE is The One and ALL

Yes indeed! Balance is 2 sided, but I did not understand how 1 and 9 are two sides? If you say husband and wife are two sides of the balance I can understand that, but how is 1 and 9? I am really curious how people follow the whole big picture based on values given by some unknown human being? Where Allah has not even send any proof about it. And unfortunately you are trying to correct AlQuraan with this man-made code? May Allah protect and help us.


May He guide us all to His true path 
mmKhan

[morningdew]

Salam,

I see this as the key issue which pushes most people away from the subject of `19` without giving it its due research.

Most people assume wrongly that 19 means you remove 2 verses from the Quran.

Recall, in the 70`s & 80`s, no one had a problem to embrace the 19 sign - before the 2 verses issue.

\\peace to all.

I did not read all the replies so maybe my thoughts have already been thought about  and I see this was started in 2008 however, I will give my input.

Removing the verses because they did not fit was not the place of anyone. The Quran does say it is preserved.

I agree with the above quote.

Just because we do not understand how the two verses fit does not mean they do not fit.

Sometimes we at first do not understand our creator. 

[Noon waalqalami]

\\peace to all.

I did not read all the replies so maybe my thoughts have already been thought about  and I see this was started in 2008 however, I will give my input.

Removing the verses because they did not fit was not the place of anyone. The Quran does say it is preserved.

I agree with the above quote.

Just because we do not understand how the two verses fit does not mean they do not fit.

Sometimes we at first do not understand our creator.

Peace -- there is no code with or without the two verses; that unproven nonsense and numerology.

[navidfa]

For anybody who claims "there is no code". Let's just take a basic example:

Why is the first revelation 19 (19x1) words? 76 letters? 19x4?
Why is the first chapter revealed 19 verses? 304 letters? 19x16?
Why is it 19th from the end?

Why are 29 chapters initialed with letters that are all multiples of 19 in their respective chapters? and interlocking?
Is this a coincidence?
The probability is (1/19)^29=0.
I am going to go with the more likely scenario, it was designed this way.

We didn't choose 19, God did (74:30).

There is infinite more data, no need to show. Point has been made, if you cannot see this, then you are just a disturbed disbeliever per 74:31

[abdalquran]

Sorry but this is all circular logic.

It's you who chose the 'first revelation', The Quran itself never says it.

It's you who claims its the first chapter revealed. Again the Quran never says it.

It's you who claims its the 19th sura from the end. If you count Chapters 8 and 9 as one sura, it'd be 20th from the end.

As for 74/30, it has nothing to do with a code. Rather it's about the number of angels over saqara.

Sorry mate 

[navidfa]

You are one lost soul man.