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« on: August 15, 2003, 02:57:05 AM »
peace

i never brought up the other thread where it was mentioned, but i think i recall ayman mentioning something about yaajuwj wa maajuwj and the possibility that they may be volcanoes...and also what layth mentioned about them possibly being bodies of water...

so i was tryin to look up the roots here...

and i came up with this one for maajuwj...

sadly nothin came up for yaajuwj, but i imagine they may have similar meanings... :?:

anyone with a better dictionary that checks has my gratitude! :D
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2003, 10:42:42 AM »
peace bro,

meem-jeem-jeem worked...

cast it forth, eject it (normally referring to something fluid), reject utterly, run violently

but not yaa-jeem-jeem

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2003, 03:37:43 AM »
* the Divine suffices as observer - appreciation is the message of the Divine - and those who are with it are harsh on concealment and nurture between themselves *

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2003, 04:52:18 AM »
Ahh, I see what happened...

HAMZAH-JEEM-JEEM = burn, burn brightly/fiercly, blazed/flamed, move quickly (with burning/flaming fire sound?), rustling sound, intense heat, shine brightly, confusion/commotion (due to external factors?)


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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2003, 11:47:56 AM »
I get this from "Al-Quran: Contemporary translation by Ahmed Ali"
It is a note for verse 18:94

The loctaion of this place points to Armenia or Trkistan.  Gog and Magog, in that case, would lead to the early inhabitants of what is  now Soviet Russia, who were a Mongoloid peopple, and who eventually spread to Europe and were constantly making incursions into adjoing areas through such geographic terrain as is described here.  They are mentioned in the Prophecies of Ezekiel as well as in St. John.  The name Mongolia, Mugkue in Chinese, is a compound of Mog(or Mong or Mung) which is teh old name of teh regio, and kue (pronounced go) which means country in Chinese, with the suffix lia bing added through ria is more common, as in Manchuria, Siberia and Russia where the r has been dropped. Ria amd Lia are however interchangeable.  The barbaric Mongols were always pressing against China on the one hand, and against Russia on the other, in search of better pastures and life.  As a consequence of their raids the Chinese built the Great Wall, taking its present shape in the 3rd cunture B.C.E under the orders of Shih Huang T. It stands to reason that a wall may have also been built in Western regions in the remote past against their pressre to penetrate the fertile Mediterranean areas.  Thus, Gog and Magog of the Bible and Yajuj and Majuj of the Quran - Hebre Majuj and Greek Megog - would represent the two tribes of Mongolia, the Yueh Ch'i and the Mong or Meng.  Now, the ch sound is interchangeable with j, and Yueh Ch'i becomes Yu-ji, Ya-ji, changing to Yajuj.  Mong or Meng (also Mog or Mug) of Mongolia, become Moj, Muj or Maj through the interchageable of g and j sounds, becoming Majuj.

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2003, 02:49:39 PM »
Aim: To identify who Gog and Magog refers to as they are part of a Quranic prophecy.

The thread from which this article is derived has more details about why the Gog and Magog are not volcanoes or rivers. See: http://www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=952

The first step in this regard must be to identify where the wall of Dhul Qarnain might be. There are two reasonable candidates as far as I am concerned both within the same region of the caucasus (one is Derbend the other is in the Daryal pass). The one I believe it probably is the gates located in the Daryal Pass:
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(d?ryl?, Rus. dry?l?) (KEY) or Dariel (drl?) (KEY) , pass, c.3,950 ft (1,204 m) high, N Georgia, in the central Greater Caucasus Mts. below Mt. Kazbek. Situated above the Terek River, it is noted for its wild grandeur. The Georgian Military Road crosses the pass, which has long been significant as an invasion route. In ancient times Daryal was called the Gates of Alan or the Caucasian or Iberian Gates.


Mountain passes are known hot-spots for armies and warring nations' conflicts. This description of the world's most famous Khyber pass shows this:

"The Khyber Pass is a 53-kilometer (33-miles) passage through the Hindu Kush mountain range. It connects the northern frontier of Pakistan with Afghanistan. At its narrowest point, the pass is only 3 meters wide. On the north side of the Khyber Pass rise the towering, snow-covered mountains of the Hindu Kush. The Khyber Pass is one of the most famous mountain passes in the World. It is one of the most important passes between Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is the best land route between India and Pakistan and has had a long and often violent history. Conquering armies have used the Khyber as an entry point for their invasions. It was also been a major trade route for centuries"


The following links have an article about Cyrus the Great (who lived around 530 BC) and his claims to being Dhul Qarnain of the Quran.

http://home.btconnect.com/CAIS/Cyrus-the-Great/cyrus-the-great.htm
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/zolqarnain_cyrus_quran.php


Now having established the most likely location of the gates we come to the conclusion that the Gog and Magog were war like people living to the North of these gates in modern day Georgia.

It so happens that the Caucasus has been a major highway for Hunnish and Turkic tribes migrating from Central Asia to the Middle East and Europe as far back as the first millenium BC. The region was therefore settled by various waves of tribes that have travelled through the region. The Turkic tribes were very mobile horsemen that have the 'mischeivous' warlike trait that the Gog and Magog possess and required a gate to be constructed.

The Magyars and Bulgars that settled in Europe in later times are also part of the migratory Turkic tribes that moved through this region.

It so happens that the area immediately North of the Daryal Pass was inhabited by a people known as the Khazars (another of the Turkic tribes) who in the time of Islam's birth were a great military people and established a nation in the third to fifth century AD - the Kingdom of Khazaria. The Khazar empire ended in the 10th to 11th Century AD when most of their lands were conquered by the Russian tribes. See more about these people at www.kazaria.com. Knowledge about the Khazars is only being researched now, they had been a forgotten nation for almost a millenium!

Now what makes the story truly fascinating is that the Khazars adopted Judaism somewhere in the 8th to 9th century AD. The time, it must be remembered is when the Eastern Roman empire Byzantium is the dominant force in world Christianity and the rapidly growing Muslim empire is to the South of the Khazars. The Khazars at the time believed in a Shamanist religion of paganism. The King of Khazaria it is said invited envoys from the Christian, Muslim, and Jewish religions and asked each of the envoys in turn to explain why he should adopt their religion. The argument that favoured Judaism for him was that when the Christians and the Muslims were asked what religion they would favour if not their own both indicated they would choose Judaism.

Therefore the Khazars adopted Judaism and became the greatest Jewish nation ever to have existed on the Earth (the largest in population and size). It is stunning that this empire hardly rates a mention in any history books given its size and importance in the region. The answer to this lies in the fact that the victor's version of history is what is propagated and the Khazars became forgotten after their loss to the Russians in subsequent centuries.

What became of the Khazar Jews then? They can't have just vanished off the face of the Earth. New research is addressing this question however an important seminal work in this regard was the work of Arthur Koestler (a Jew) in "The Thirteenth Tribe" who argued that the Khazar Jews migrated en masse into Europe and became the origins of the Ashkenazi Jews.

A link to an online copy of The Thirteenth Tribe:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm#The%20Thirteenth%20Tribe

This is a controversial area but even the nay-sayers do admit that these Jewish people did migrate to Europe to mingle with the populations there.

It might be pertinent to note that the following is said about the Daryal Pass:

A ?Daryal Pass? valley route sometimes called, ?the Pass of Israel,? is clearly marked out in red in the Cambridge History Of Iran, (vol. 3:1:522); it was a favourite passage-way to Europe from the Mid-East.


A favorite passage way to Europe as well as being called "the Pass of Israel" are some of the many small evidences that these Khazar Jews moved into Europe to become the Ashkenazi Jews who appear from apparently nowhere in the Middle Ages immediately after the collapse of the Khazar Empire. Surely there is much presumptive evidence for this migration and origin for the Ashkenazi Jews.

The Ashkenazi Jews are important as far as Judaism goes because they form the majority (approximately 90%) of the present day Jews and the vast majoriity of American Jews. These Jewish people have nothing whatsoever from the original biblical Jewish people and have their ancestors in the warlike Turkic peoples of the North Caucasus.

From Khazaria to America these Jewish people in my opinion represent the Gog and Magog people described in the Quran. The corruption and mischief spread by this group over the latter part of history; the fact that they are spread all over the world and that for the large part they are liberalist humanists (atheists) or followers of fabricated traditions and not their original law fits the description of the Gog and Magog. The Ashkenazim are heavily involved in the world's problems. America's domination in world affairs militarily in alliance with Israel (an Ashkenazi nation) should demonstrate without doubt that these people fit the description better than any other people.

Finally there is the other mention of Gog and Magog in the Quran. Verse 21:96. I include below 21:95-96

Quran 21:95
Waharamun AAala qaryatin ahlaknaha annahum la yarjiAAoona

But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed: that they shall not return,

Literal: And forbidden on a village/urban city We made it die/destroyed it , that they do not return.

Quran 21:96
Hatta itha futihat ya/jooju wama/jooju wahum min kulli hadabin yansiloona

Until when Gog and Magog are let loose and they shall break forth from every elevated place.

Literal: Until when Yagog and Magog was opened , and they are for every/each hard/elevated ground, they rush down/separate.


The verse preceding 21:96 mentions populations and is then followed immediately after by the mention of Gog and Magog. So this is indicating that there would be a spreading of a population called Gog and Magog; in my opinion it's the news about who they are being let loose that is important. A destroyed community that returns. The Khazar empire was destroyed and it's with the discovery that the Ashkenazi Jews are the 'returned' people ie. the Gog and Magog that their significance/presence returns.

What about elevated place? Well this doesn't necessarily have to be a hill or mound like the view has been. An elevated place can refer to positions of power in human affairs. These are often referred to in English as top positions. If one thinks about the influence of the Ashkenazi Jews in world affairs and how many high places they hold (in finance, politics, music, film etc. the list stretches to all human endeavours) then it is not so much of a stretch of the imagination to see that this also supports the finding that it is the Ashkenazi Jews who are the Gog and Magog.

In conclusion; the Ashkenazi Jews (who are originated from the North Caucasus Turkic warlike tribes (whom Dhul Qarnain built a wall against) and have spread out to all regions of the Earth) are none other than the Gog and Magog people.


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Save unto a messenger whom He has chosen, and He made an affirmer to proceed him and another to follow him.
That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He is cognizant of all their doings, and He keeps account of all things."

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2004, 06:08:59 AM »
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18:99 (Zul-Qarnain was correct that such obstructions would become immaterial with time.) We will let some nations to invade others on a day when the trumpets of war will be blown. Then We will gather them together in battle-fields. (Gog and Magog, the powerful imperialist nations will exploit one another and the weaker nations and great wars will take place). qxp version of events
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2006, 05:11:08 AM »
Read about the legend of Gog and Magog, here:
http://www.iras.ucalgary.ca/~volk/sylvia/GogAndMagog.htm

Read an analytical/speculative/prophetic view on Gog and Magog, here:
http://www.contenderministries.org/prophecy/gogmagog.php

Rather intriguing.

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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2006, 04:34:00 AM »
There is no historical record of Alexander having built a wall anywhere.

I agree with your conclusion about the geographical location. Modern day Republic of Georgia seems to be the most accurate theory.

If we accept this theory, then all evidence will lead to Zhulqarnain being none other than Cyrus the Great, of the Achamenid Dynasty of Persia.
The Achamenid rulers were holders of a dual throne ( Persia + Media ).
Cyrus was therfore the "The King of Two Nations".. Hence the name: Zhulqarnein. ( Qarn = Nation or people ).

He was well known to the people pf the Book ( Jews and Christians ).
It is very likely that the verse of the Reading that starts with the words :"They ask you about Zhulqarnain..."  indicates the Jews.

Do not forget that Cyrus was the one who freed the Jews from their exile / slavery in Babylon, and allowed them to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their temple there.

I will post a thread about this subject soon.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 10:34:57 PM »
Truth wrote:

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Until when Gog and Magog are let loose and they shall break forth from every elevated place.

Literal: Until when Yagog and Magog was opened , and they are for every/each hard/elevated ground, they rush down/separate.


Why do you allways assume that they shal be "let loose" upon the world??

Does the word "futihat" in the verse above mean that they will be "set loose"???

This interpretation is straight from the Jewish scriptures. ( Gog and Magog will be set loose and attack Israel).

I think this interpretation is false
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 04:50:33 PM »
maybe the meaning of this verse is the door in space above the place of Gog and Magog Hills in England, and maybe this door was been opened and extraterrestrials travel across it :!

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2015, 02:28:57 PM »
Assalaam alaikum,

I've noticed members are applying arabic etymology to the words Ja'jooj and Ma'jooj...

...I'd like you to consider something.

"Until, when he reached [a pass] between two mountains, he found beside them a people who could hardly understand [his] speech.

They said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, indeed Gog and Magog are [great] corrupters in the land. So may we assign for you an expenditure that you might make between us and them a barrier?""
- al kahf 93 and 94...

The subtlety of the Quran is often overlooked by us.

Ayah 93 explains that the people whom Dhul Qarnayn met living at the foot of the two mountains, were unable to immediately communicate with him because they were from a different race entirely in a far off land.

Ayah 94 explains that these people, once they managed to communicate with Dhul Qarnayn - they informed Dhul Qarnayn that "Ya'jooj" and "Ma'jooj" were causing corruptions in the land... did you miss it? or did you catch it?

Look again. These foreign people who lived at the foot of the mountains were not Arabs were they? No... they were an entirely different race and in the language they spoke - they identified the corrupters as Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj... in their own language which is not Arabic - so why do we still use Arabic etymology blindly for the two words - ya'jooj and ma'jooj???

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to see if these two identifiers (ya'jooj and ma'jooj) are synonymous with other languages instead?

Some would argue that the Quran is in a pure and clear arabic, (as in the ayah which explain that the Quran is Arabiyyun Mubeen - revealed in a pure and clear Arabic) and I agree with that - where the Quran uses Arabic... but within the Quran, the phenomenon of Linguistic Borrowing does occur - and so, where this happens, applying Arabic etymology would be a waste of time.

For the record, there is a nation on earth today which still identifies Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj in their own language as "Ya'jooj" and "Ma'jooj" and they are not Arabic, nor Aramaic nor any semitic language speaking people... they are the Chinese.

If you want proof, I can give it to you - but first you must stop using Arabic etymology to decode non Arabic words in the Quran.

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2015, 04:50:33 AM »
So what chinese word should that be? Which chinese syllable would you express in arabic as جوج?
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2015, 08:03:06 AM »
Aha, well you see - this is where history plays its part.

Since time immemorial, the Chinese were being invaded by two groups of nomadic barbarians... the Scythian and the Tartar Mongol...

I won't lay it out for you - that would be too easy.

But if you can investigate how the chinese referred to these two nomadic races in ancient times - I guarantee you  that you will hear the words Ya'jouj and Ma'jouj in Chinese.

I'm literally giving the game away here.

This year, I release my series on Youtube which explains everything in sha Allah, in a way never seen before.

I'll link the vids in a new thread here once they are up (but it will take some time as film production is a slow and painstaking process)

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2015, 10:54:41 AM »
Peace Scimitar,
what you are saying is really intriguing, please keep us posted regarding the release of your videos on this matter, I'm really curious what you have to say to us..

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2015, 11:54:01 AM »
and unto you, the peace also :)

If Allah wills this series to get made - I promise you it will over turn many of the previously propagated theories out there, and give the viewer much to contemplate in relation to history and eschatology.

This study of gog magog, dhul qarnayn and the barrier - is classically restricted to the scholars of Islam, whom would not venture out of their comfort zones (in study) to find out what the larger world had recorded about the event mentioned in Al kahf 83-99... only on two occasions in history had this happened and both turned out to be unfruitful...

There were two expeditions sent to locate the barrier.

An early expedition to Derbent was ordered by the khaliph Umar RA (586–644 AD) himself, during the Arab conquest of Armenia where they heard about Alexander's Wall in Derbent from the conquered Christian Armenians. Umar's expedition was recorded by the renowned exegetes of the Qur'an, Al-Tabarani (873-970 AD) and Ibn Kathir (1301–1373 AD), and by the Muslim geographer Yaqut al-Hamawi (1179-1229 AD):

... Umar sent ... in 22 A.H. [643 AD] ... an expedition to Derbent ... `Abdur Rahman bin Rabi`ah [was appointed] as the chief of his vanguard. When 'Abdur Rehman entered Armenia, the ruler Shehrbaz surrendered without fighting. Then when `Abdur Rehman wanted to advance towards Derbent, Shehrbaz [ruler of Armenia] informed him that he had already gathered full information about the wall built by Dhul-Qarnain, through a man, who could supply all the necessary details ...

Umar RA was informed that the barrier was in derbent, but the location is built of brick and mortar, and not iron and qhitre... so this is not the location, and makes no sense to be the location when boats can avoid the derbent pass and enter the southern climes easily.

A few centuries later, during the khaliphate of Al Watiq:

The second expedition was the one undertaken by Sallam the Interpreter (sallam al tarjoumani). He was sent to locate the barrier with an armed guard, on the order of Khaliph Al Watiq. His journey was a long one, and he located it in Changan near Lake Lop Nor, northern Chinese territory, but commentators have explained that he must have confused the great wall of china for the barrier. However, Sallam al Taejoumani is reported to have found the barrier intact, with a gate in it, and the metallic surface was chipped so he pulled out his knife and chipped a little of the metal away and bagged it to present to the khaliph on his return journey. when he returned, hardly anyone recognised him because he'd been away many years, and the travel across harsher climes had taken its toll on him and his entourage... many of which, died on that journey. He was able to prove who he was because he had the letter given to him by Khaliph al Watiq, which exonerated him somewhat.

However, Muslim and non Muslim works examining the book of Ibn Khuradabih (the man who penned the travelogue of sallam) have often claimed that location Sallam arrived at to be in different places, all of which are geographically between Kyrgyzstan and China - a region of thousands of miles to be covered therein. So no definite answer on the actual barrier here. Not to mention, there is no mention of a gate within the barrier in al kahf...

So looking to the classical refefrences does us no justice in the modern age, but only serve to help point us in other directions if we eliminate these locations in the process.

I don't have an education, so I am an unlearnt person - but I read lots of books and have had to look into the basics of geology, geography, topography, archaeology, etymology,philology, morphology, and a whole host of other "ologies" which have helped to arm me with the necessary tools in order to solve this mystery.

Alhamdulillah, I feel it is solved for me - I have no more questions left to answer in relation to the epic in Al Kahf, and can explain away any part of it convincingly, I feel. And Allah knows best.

Hope this helps

Allahu alam.

Thank you Roshan_M for your interest in this study, if you'd like to know more, some of my posts in this thread may interest you: http://wup-forum.com/in-search-of-gog-and-magog-t25494.html but be warned, often what I put out on WUP forum, is olnly a teaser and not the full McCoy... for that, the series I plan on making will be vital in knowing why some of the info in that thread may be seen as fitan. Trial.

As they say, knowledge is power... and people abuse knowledge so I kept most of it back until I can present it in the context i believe it should be presented in.

I pray Allah Aza wa Jal guide me in this endeavour and make this work the definite explanation of the ayahs in Al KAhf 83-99. Ameen.

Scimi

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2015, 11:46:53 AM »
So you mean Meng Gu as Ma Jouj? Well thats quite far away. And for the Scythians, I haven't found anything similar. Please post the word in Chinese, if you are serious. Otherwise I will just take you as another one of these cranks.
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2015, 06:43:01 PM »
Why would you call me a crank? Did I offend you sister? If I have I ask you to forgive me.

It's up to you - Take me as a crank then, until I prove you wrong...

since we're talking about right and wrong...

...I tell you what you did wrong. You translated the words Mongol and Scythian in google translate, am I correct?

Well, why did you do that?

Didn't you know? Mongol is a relatively new word - Genghis Khan used it to define his people in the 13th century, but, the ancient Chinese referred to them by a different association, same as the Scythian tribes.

What that "association" was, is up to you discover.

Here is a clue:

Ya'jou'ren, Ma'jou'renmin... that's how it sounds once translated... (the R is pronounced as a J)

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2015, 01:37:04 PM »
Well you are taking me for stupid. I don't use google translate, or only if I want to have some fun. Please give me the Chinese word in chinese characters, and don't tell me how to pronounce ::)
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2015, 01:53:06 PM »
I have no desire to give you any information at all now.

I did not take you for stupid but your own self did.

Henceforth you called me a crank when I did not deserve it. And you've not even apologised for that... Further you are demanding information from me as if I owe it to you. Get over yourself.I owe you nothing.

And Allah is witness between you and I.

From now on you will just have to wait until I release the series.

Assalaam alaikum.

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2015, 11:29:30 PM »
It is stronger in the perception of Allah to unconditionally forgive, apology or not. Relax.

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