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truthseeker171:


--- Quote from: JKRethland on July 02, 2012, 07:20:20 AM ---The Full moon here in Central time zone USA is on July 3rd at 01:51:54 pm , which means the actual siting want be till Tuesday evening/night(night of destiny/power?), making Wednesday the 4th the first daylight period to fast. Three day periods here would be 4th,5th,& 6th.The moon want be full here on the 2nd, just the nights of 3rd,4th,& 5th. And cant fast the 3rd as the fullmoon isnt until almost 2 pm in the afternoon.
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Seen with the naked eye, the full moon has a duration of three days, with a visibility of at least 98,5 percent. Probably also near your place at the evening of 2th July the moon can be witnessed as full - with the naked eye. So you could fast the 3th,4th and 5th of July.
The -scientific full moon- lasts only a few minutes - but with the naked eye it can be witnessed three days, the difference between 98.5 and 99.9 is hardly noticeable. Actually the real scientific full moon would be a lunar eclipse - so this means that the moon is never exactly seen as full.
The 6th of July according to the tables, the moon will be shrunk to about 95 percent visibility and is not full anymore.

Salaam,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer: the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 17:36.

JKRethland:

--- Quote from: truthseeker171 on July 02, 2012, 11:12:53 AM ---Seen with the naked eye, the full moon has a duration of three days, with a visibility of at least 98,5 percent. Probably also near your place at the evening of 2th July the moon can be witnessed as full - with the naked eye. So you could fast the 3th,4th and 5th of July.
The -scientific full moon- lasts only a few minutes - but with the naked eye it can be witnessed three days, the difference between 98.5 and 99.9 is hardly noticeable. Actually the real scientific full moon would be a lunar eclipse - so this means that the moon is never exactly seen as full.
The 6th of July according to the tables, the moon will be shrunk to about 95 percent visibility and is not full anymore.

Salaam,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer: the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 17:36.

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After lookin at this link http://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/moon-phases/ I see what your talking about, tonight it will be 98 % tomorrow 100% and Wednesday it will be  98%.

So the fast shouldnt actually start on the actual full moon but what it appears to be.

truthseeker171:


--- Quote from: JKRethland on July 02, 2012, 12:27:52 PM ---After lookin at this link http://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/moon-phases/ I see what your talking about, tonight it will be 98 % tomorrow 100% and Wednesday it will be  98%.

So the fast shouldnt actually start on the actual full moon but what it appears to be.
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Agreed - one can witness the full moon if it appears to be full with the naked eye. This is a natural way of using the moon as a calendar.
A moon can be never perfectly full as seen from the earth, because only a lunar eclipse would be the perfect balanced full moon.


Salaam,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer: the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 17:36.

mmkhan:

--- Quote from: truthseeker171 on July 02, 2012, 04:19:31 AM ---Salaam Mmkhan

As far as I know the hottest month on the Northern Hemisphere is in general:

continental climate - July, because of the summersolstice
maritime climate - August, because of the gradual warming of the sea during summer

- of course there can be local differences.

But these differences over the world seem not to be relevant for the communal fast because of following:

According to verse 2:185, the fasting is linked to the arrival of the Quran, the fasting can be a celebration for the Guidance that has been received.

2:185 The -shahr- (full moon) of Ramadan, in which the Quran was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, those of you who witness the -shahr- (full moon) shall fast therein. Whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God because He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

This is for me the main reason that all believers over the world can abstain at the same days all over the world - namely the full moon when the Quran has arrived, most probably that was the -scorching moon- in Arabia.
In Arabia the most reddish full moon, during the most hot period, is the first one after 21th of June, this year 3th,4th and 5th of July.

Salaam,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer: the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 17:36.

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Salaam brother,

Sorry for late reply.

I think you have to understand means "unzila" in 2:185. "Naazil" does not mean send down for the first time as this word is commonly used for rain.

BTW, I have no proof that AlQuraan was send down for the first time in Arabia or to Mohammed.

Hence, fasting has nothing to do with nazala of AlQuraan, inshaAllah.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
mmkhan

truthseeker171:

--- Quote from: mmkhan on July 06, 2012, 12:19:27 AM ---
I think you have to understand means "unzila" in 2:185. "Naazil" does not mean send down for the first time as this word is commonly used for rain.

BTW, I have no proof that AlQuraan was send down for the first time in Arabia or to Mohammed.

Hence, fasting has nothing to do with nazala of AlQuraan, inshaAllah.
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Salaam brother

2:185 The -shahr- (full moon) of Ramadan, in which the Quran was sent down/revealed as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, those of you who witness the -shahr- (full moon) shall fast therein. Whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God because He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

In general the word -unzila- is translated as -sent down- or -revealed-.
Several verses of the Koran mention that water is sent down, for instance in the form of rain.
That does not contradict the reading of verse 2:185 as was suggested.

12:2 We have sent it down an Arabic Quran/recitation, perhaps you will reason.

It is true - we do not have 100 percent evidence that the actual sending down on the person that received the Koran happened in Arabia at that moment.
Though there is enough circumstantial evidence found in the Koran to assume that Mohammad was in an arid area on the Northern Hemisphere. I do not have any evidence that shows otherwise. Hence the first full moon after the summersolstice of the Northern Hemisphere seems to be the right one.
There is no indication that Mohammed lived in a maritime west-coast climate, that is one of the rare climates that has August as the warmest period of the year.


Salaam,
Truthseeker

Disclaimer: the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 17:36.

 

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