Allah and the messenger and his teachings and his judgements

[Ansar]

What I have found is that the people on this site have various different views about this issue.  Some are extremely hostile to following anything outside of the Quran for spiritual guidance, as in their view, it constitues shirk, while others are opposed to only those teachings which in their view are harmful teachings.  In any case, I feel that everyone has the right to believe what they think is right, as long as they don't use their belief as a justification for taking away the rights of others to practice and believe what they want to believe.  I don't believe in calling people with different beliefs as Kafir, Mushrik, Munafiq, etc., nor do I support the killing of the apostates or blasphemers, because it goes against basic notions of decency, tolerance, and respect.

The quran calls people Kafir, Mushrik and Munafiq. The companions of the prophet peace be upon him did the same. When you have crossed the line of islam, your a kafir, thats it. The islam is not a game where you can play with all kind of beliefs. there is only one way, and thats the way how the prophet presented islam.

The prophet peace be upon himself declared war to so called prophets. The first khalifa did the same. Abu Bakr as-siddiq fought against those who refused to pay the zakat. Imagine what would happen to you people. Most of you reject the way you have to pray, the rituals of the hadj, rules of zakat, the fridayprayer, rent etc.

There are certain fundamentals in islam. These fundamentals existed in the time of the prophet until now and these have always been the same. (differences in fiqh is other thing). But you change the rules of islam when there is absolutely no difference of opinion.

I guess i'll see you in hell.

[pilgrim]

Are you going to hell Ansar :?:  :shock:

[Ansar]

Are you going to hell Ansar :?:  :shock:

Maybe, Allah knows the best. By the way, read the quran, Allah states that the people of hell and other human beings will conversate with eachother.

[FearfulOfAllah]

The quran calls people Kafir, Mushrik and Munafiq. The companions of the prophet peace be upon him did the same. When you have crossed the line of islam, your a kafir, thats it. The islam is not a game where you can play with all kind of beliefs. there is only one way, and thats the way how the prophet presented islam.

The prophet peace be upon himself declared war to so called prophets. The first khalifa did the same. Abu Bakr as-siddiq fought against those who refused to pay the zakat. Imagine what would happen to you people. Most of you reject the way you have to pray, the rituals of the hadj, rules of zakat, the fridayprayer, rent etc.

There are certain fundamentals in islam. These fundamentals existed in the time of the prophet until now and these have always been the same. (differences in fiqh is other thing). But you change the rules of islam when there is absolutely no difference of opinion.

First of all, your position is based on the historical narrations in the books of Hadith, and the books of history, for which there is a great chance that at least some of it got fabricated over the years to serve the interests of the ruling kings.  You still haven't proven or guaranteed that the books of history and hadith are authentic and unfabricated.

Secondly, it seems to me, that you contradict yourself when you say that there are differences in Fiqh, but there are absolutely no difference of opinion.  Differences in Fiqh are the same thing as differences in opinion.

[savage_carrot]

Salam Ansar

How does the prophet judge?

By what Allah has revealed to him.

What has Allah revealed to him and to the rest of humanity?

The book, the Quran.

If you read the verses you posted again, maybe it will be clearer? That Allah says

4:105. Lo! We reveal unto thee the Scripture with the truth, that thou mayst judge between mankind by that which Allah showeth thee. And be not thou a pleader for the treacherous;

Peace

[Ansar]

Salam Ansar

How does the prophet judge?

By what Allah has revealed to him.

What has Allah revealed to him and to the rest of humanity?

The book, the Quran.

If you read the verses you posted again, maybe it will be clearer? That Allah says

4:105. Lo! We reveal unto thee the Scripture with the truth, that thou mayst judge between mankind by that which Allah showeth thee. And be not thou a pleader for the treacherous;

Peace

Where can we see his judgements? Where can we see how the prophet judged?

[Ansar]

First of all, your position is based on the historical narrations in the books of Hadith, and the books of history, for which there is a great chance that at least some of it got fabricated over the years to serve the interests of the ruling kings.  You still haven't proven or guaranteed that the books of history and hadith are authentic and unfabricated.

Secondly, it seems to me, that you contradict yourself when you say that there are differences in Fiqh, but there are absolutely no difference of opinion.  Differences in Fiqh are the same thing as differences in opinion.

I guess the holocaust never happened huh? I guess we dont know nothing about our history? We have enough historians who can judge what was false and what wasnt. Suppose you are using medecines, you know very well that there are fake medecines on the market, but you still buy medecines with the help of a expert. The same goes for the hadith, hadith-scholars can judge which hadith is correct.

You people create unnecessary difference of opinion on issues while all muslims agreed with it earlier.

[savage_carrot]

Salam

 

Where can we see his judgements? Where can we see how the prophet judged?

What did he judge by?

The Quran.

As everything that was judged was from the Quran and no where else did the prophet get his guidance from, then does it matter what he judged? Do those scenarios matter? Everything you need to judge is in the Quran...no matter what scenarios come about...so it doesn't matter what the prophet judged...what matters is how he judged/by what he judged and that comes from the Quran.
For example, tomorrow a situation arises that needs to be judged that has no precedence in the hadith of bukhari etc...what will you do then? As Allah says use the Quran for judgement and in it are all kinds of parables/examples for mankind...then you will judge by that...and if there is something the Quran does not mention, it is irrelevant..and you can judge for yourself as long as it does not violate any of Allah's commandments in the Quran...

Peace

[Ansar]

Salam

 

Where can we see his judgements? Where can we see how the prophet judged?

What did he judge by?

The Quran.

As everything that was judged was from the Quran and no where else did the prophet get his guidance from, then does it matter what he judged? Do those scenarios matter? Everything you need to judge is in the Quran...no matter what scenarios come about...so it doesn't matter what the prophet judged...what matters is how he judged/by what he judged and that comes from the Quran.
For example, tomorrow a situation arises that needs to be judged that has no precedence in the hadith of bukhari etc...what will you do then? As Allah says use the Quran for judgement and in it are all kinds of parables/examples for mankind...then you will judge by that...and if there is something the Quran does not mention, it is irrelevant..and you can judge for yourself as long as it does not violate any of Allah's commandments in the Quran...

Peace

You still didnt answered my question. Where exactly can we see his judgements? And look at the other verses, not only the verse which states "judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed". Muslims believe in all verses right? So please do not select verses that suits your beliefs.

Allah says in the quran about the prophet: "He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul;" So he also judged according to this verse which Allah revealed.

[Sara]

You still didnt answered my question. Where exactly can we see his judgements? And look at the other verses, not only the verse which states "judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed". Muslims believe in all verses right? So please do not select verses that suits your beliefs.

God never told us to look elsewhere for his judgments; He never even said there were other sources that CONTAINED his judgments. If you differ, then, please post Qur'anic ayats which espouse your positions, thanks.

Allah says in the quran about the prophet: "He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul;" So he also judged according to this verse which Allah revealed.

 "And authenticating what is present with me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden to you; and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware of God and obey me." 3-50

Jesus also made lawful for his people that was forbidden for them. Where can we see HIS judgments?