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Muhammed Jafar
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« on: April 15, 2004, 10:04:56 PM »

Salaam Aleikum. Damon wrote something very rude about me and slandered me.  He said
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, you two being hadith, sahaba and sheik worshippers, and me worshipping GOD Alone and following Quran alone, it should ALWAYS, ALWAYS be backed up and validated by the Quran?

FIRST HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF WORSHIPPING OTHER THAN ALLAH. I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE THAT I DO. WE ARE COMMANDED IN THE QU'RAN AND HADITH TO WORSHIP ALLAH ONLY. I DO NOT WORSHIP ANY SHEIKHS, HADITH OR SAHABA. You claim me for being dishonest for following the Qu'ran and the Prophet's Sunnah/Hadith. I CHALLENGE YOU DAMON TO PROVE THAT I WORSHIP OTHER THAN ALLAH, IF YOU CANNOT PROVE THIS THEN I DEMAND AN APOLOGY!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2004, 10:43:30 PM »

Salaam,

This reminds me of when I was a small child and my brother would do something I felt unfair and I would go "tell" on him to my mother.

It's probably not really necessary to start a new post complaining about being "slandered" by someone, don't you think?

We have to remember this forum is to discuss ISLAM, not go "telling" on people who have "slandered" you.  You can always contact one of the moderators as well.

What believer in the Quran only as God's guidance has not been slandered here?  If you have a problem with a particular person, it's best to take it up with this person in private,  not in a public forum.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2004, 06:12:15 PM »

Peace all,

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Salaam Aleikum. Damon wrote something very rude about me and slandered me.


Dear Muhammad Jafar,
I did not intend for my post to sound rude to you. It's a matter of perspective and how each individual see/read a thing. I personally do not feel as though I was rude to you, however if you feel as though that I was, then I do apologize.

I will not change my position concerning the beliefs of the Sunni Muslim community, but I will take care in how I word things from this point on so as not to offend you or anyone else here share your views.

As far as the accusation of slander goes, I am asking you to point out to me which part of my post was slanderous to you.

Peace,
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2004, 06:32:21 PM »

Peace be with you Muhammad Jafar,

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I CHALLENGE YOU DAMON TO PROVE THAT I WORSHIP OTHER THAN ALLAH,


They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one God. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, HIGH ABOVE HAVING ANY PARTNERS.
(9:31)

Allah spelled it out plain and simple.

Peace,
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2004, 07:35:14 PM »

Peace Mohammad,

Remember the word for worship in arabic and its meaning of serving. If one follows a sheikh who says this is from GOD and it is not, then one serves/worships the sheikh not necessarily bowing and prostrating before him. Infact many do this too.

This argument is similar to what Christians when they say they don't worship Mary they serve a fabricated image by following things attributed to her.

May GOD guide us all!
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2004, 08:33:45 PM »

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Dear Muhammad Jafar,
I did not intend for my post to sound rude to you. It's a matter of perspective and how each individual see/read a thing. I personally do not feel as though I was rude to you, however if you feel as though that I was, then I do apologize.


peace damon

and salutations on your hikmat and iman! by your example you enjoin the good and forbid the bad...

may God bless you bro

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2004, 10:40:56 PM »

As commanded in the Qu'ran. I have met NO fellow Sunni Brothers/Sisters who accociate partners with Allah at all, nor does our doctrine which is the true doctrine in my belief teach this. Damon Yes this is slander-"you two being hadith, sahaba and sheik worshippers" Do not deny this. You accuse us of being dishonest, I think we both know who really is being dishonest here. We have NEVER said we worship other than Allah. I find it extremely rude to be accused of worshipping other than Allah and I demand that You apologize right NOW for accusing us of doing so!!!! By the way the Surah You gave me was out of context..

9.31 They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

I have always been taught to take Allah for Lord only and none else and this has been practiced by Muslims since the beginning with the exceptions of a few extreme elements. I AWAIT THE APOLOGY. If You cannot then this means that You are too proud and pride is a sin and I will ask that You refrain from speaking to me.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2004, 11:06:38 PM »

Peace,

Muhammad Jafar, what sect do you belong to?

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2004, 11:14:31 PM »

Peace Muhammad

One need not declare their idol worshipping tendencies to be an idol worshipper. There are people who say that they believe and yet they mock the believers in their minds and follow another way.

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2004, 11:45:51 PM »

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As commanded in the Qu'ran. I have met NO fellow Sunni Brothers/Sisters who accociate partners with Allah at all, nor does our doctrine which is the true doctrine in my belief teach this.

You seem to be missing the fun and frolic being exposed by the hysterical "commander-in-chief (the know-it-all)" of your sunni doctrine. Not even the scholars and imaams of any creed can perhaps be a challenge to this alleged highness, the PrinceZed of 2004.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2004, 04:01:29 AM »

Peace all,

Dear Muhammad Jafar,

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As commanded in the Qu'ran. I have met NO fellow Sunni Brothers/Sisters who accociate partners with Allah at all, nor does our doctrine which is the true doctrine in my belief teach this


Contrary to what you say, I have met PLENTY of Sunni muslims who not only associate partners with GOD, but place others High Above GOD. And contrary to what you claim, if you'de be willing to to look at the situation rationally and objectively, you will come to realize that the sunni doctrine does so teach this belief.

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Damon Yes this is slander-"you two being hadith, sahaba and sheik worshippers" Do not deny this


As I said in my previous post, It is not what is said, but how it is being said. I also said that this is my view which will not change, but I also told you that I will be sensitive about how I say things so that I will not offend people in the future. The quote above is how I feel, but I do realize that there is a right way and a wrong way to say things.

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We have NEVER said we worship other than Allah.


Muhammad, are you familiar with the old saying Actions Speak Louder Than Words?? Just because the sunnis aren't verbally calling the Prophet Muhammad, Bukhari and their scholars Allah doesn't prove that they don't actually view them as such. I could verbally tell my wife that I love her until I'm blue in the face, but unless I'm actually doing the things that a loving husband should do, my words mean nothing....actions speak louder than words!!!

Let me give you another example Muhammad.... Let's say you are walking down the street and you're eating an ice cream cone. Now I'm walking towards you coming from the opposite direction and as we walk past each other, I rudely bump you and make your ice cream drip all over your shirt and everything. Now you say to me "Look what you've done, why can't you excuse yourself and apologize for this???"

Instead of apologizing to you or saying excuse me, I don't VERBALLY say anything....instead I just look at you, roll my eyes and suck my teeth and keep walking.

What is the message in this action? It is a message of disrespect. Even though I didn't verbally say "Hey pal, screw you, I'm not apologizing to you, you creep.", My actions towards you showed what my attitude was. What I'm trying to tell you is although you may not verbally call Bukhari, Ibn Malik and Sheik so and so GOD doesn't prove that you do not take what  they say over what GOD said. You're actions and deeds speak for themselves.

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I find it extremely rude to be accused of worshipping other than Allah and I demand that You apologize right NOW for accusing us of doing so!!!!


First of all, you're comrade Prince Zed is accusing us of alot of things, most of which he is guilty of himself, and you don't see anyone here demanding apologies. Another thing, I've explained twice already that I realized how I said it is what needs to be altered, not what is said, and I've already apologized for that. But you are asking me to apologize for a viewpoint that I have and that is not realistic. If that were the case, I should be asking you, PrinceZed and any other sunni's to apologize for having their beliefs and verbally expressing them.

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By the way the Surah You gave me was out of context..

9.31 They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).


Here we go with the word games. The Arabic term is 'ahbaar.

'Itta khazuu 'ahbaaruhum wa ruhbaanahum 'arbaabam min duuneel Laahi.

It matters not HOW you Translate 'ahbaar or ruhbaana, be it Sheik, Scholar, Priest, Monk, Rabbi or whatever. What is importnat is the Function that these people serve which is a so called religious cleric or interpreter of GOD's way. You translate that word and attach whatever label you want to it, it doesn't change the function of the person. What matters is that GOD is telling us that Christian Priests, Jewish Monks and Sunni Sheiks are taken by the people as lords instead of the one true God.

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. I AWAIT THE APOLOGY


I believe I've already covered this.

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If You cannot then this means that You are too proud and pride is a sin and I will ask that You refrain from speaking to me.


It's a free country Muhammad. If you feel as though you have nothing to say to me, I have no problem with that. Trust me, I will not lose any sleep.

Peace,
Damon.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2004, 04:29:47 AM »

Peace Muhammad

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As commanded in the Qu'ran. I have met NO fellow Sunni Brothers/Sisters who accociate partners with Allah at all, nor does our doctrine which is the true doctrine in my belief teach this


ZED who claims to be of your ilk has done such on his commentary that God put Muhammad's name on IT'S very throne.  :wink:

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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2004, 05:53:20 AM »

Peace all,
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I have met NO fellow Sunni Brothers/Sisters who accociate partners with Allah at all, nor does our doctrine which is the true doctrine in my belief teach this.

It just occured to me... do any of the "sunni preachers" on this board realize that many members (including myself) here used to be sunni?  :?

I say this because (1) One of them said, he hopes to teach us something... from sunniism I guess, and (2) they keep saying that we 'sunnis' believe this, or don't do that, etc... like we don't know. :roll:
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2004, 06:05:42 AM »

LoL, well, the Prince knows it all  :roll:
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2004, 07:05:17 AM »

Hey guys, you have a problem with me, then address those issues to ME personally. Why do you have to go and complain to someone else about me???  :roll:
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