To Muhammad Jafar and PrinceZED

[Damon]

Peace,

I've been browsing your posts over the last couple of days. Both of your arguments lack logic and honesty. That's what it boils down to. It takes plain common sense and honesty. I've read all of your posts you two have put out and they lack both of those elements.

Here's what I'd like to  do....We all agree that the Quran is the Foundation of GOD's system. GOD has described it as being Al-Furqaan, therefore we should begin any and all discussions concerning Islam from the light of the Quran, correct?

In order for either one of us to validate our claims and views, you two being hadith, sahaba and sheik worshippers, and me worshipping GOD Alone and following Quran alone, it should ALWAYS, ALWAYS be backed up and validated by the Quran?

We'll choose a number of topics of discussion and see who's views and claims are validated and backed by not only GOD's book, but more importantly, by GOD HIMSELF!!!

Peace,
Damon.

[PrinceZ?D]

Looking forward to your topics Mr not-so-Qur'an-follower!!

[Danish]

Peace Damon,

Good to hear from you. It has been a long time since we last spoke via email. Hope your computer is running fine now.

This PrinceZed reminds me of a fellow at 19.org named Khizar, remember him. I hope this guy is/was not his roomate.

All the best to you and take care.

[zenje]

Salaam Damon,

I've been browsing your posts over the last couple of days. Both of your arguments lack logic and honesty.

I hope you didn't miss this classic one from his highness the PrinceZ?D...

Let me re-itterate: I have more love in my heart for my maula Muhammad (pbuh) than Allah (swt).

:roll:

[symtacs]

PrinceZ?D wrote:
Let me re-itterate: I have more love in my heart for my maula Muhammad (pbuh) than Allah (swt).  

I hope prince realizes what hes saying. Did he commit shirk? Just wondering, Im not accusing him of anything, just wondering about your take.

This is the standard mentality out there. When I was a sunni, I was raised with the same mindset. I thank God for giving me guidance.

[albion]

Did he commit shirk?

I think he went past commiting shirk. I maybe wrong but doesn't shirk mean making someone equal to God or a partner to God. Prince has placed Mohummad above God in that statement he made.

[FRANK]

Hello,it was said:

I hope prince realizes what hes saying. Did he commit shirk? Just wondering, Im not accusing him of anything, just wondering about your take.

This is the standard mentality out there.

Standard mentality?A bit of an exaggeration,dont you think? [Of course take note that I agree with you that this is indeed shirk]Symtac,It is Unfortunate that while you were a Sunni  you were taught to do the same[to Place the Prophet[sws] above Allah]...... However  the Sunni[ or Salafee,whichever you would like to call them]  that I know Worship Allah,In fact some might say that putting the Prophet[sws] above Allah,makes one a kafir :wink: [Allah will tell us in the end]......Anyway,Of course you may do/say what-ever  you like,however please be careful[if you will]when making statements like that one,especially since we have people in here whom have never really interacted with Sunni Muslims.Symtac, you may say this today[I.e this is the standard mentality amongst Sunnis],and then next week,lol,we will see a posting by another  saying :"Oh,sunnis love or worship the Prophet[sws] more-so than Allah,this is their standard mentality and creed"..Know what I mean? :DSalaams

[PrinceZ?D]

PrinceZ?D wrote:
Let me re-itterate: I have more love in my heart for my maula Muhammad (pbuh) than Allah (swt).

Please see my explanations and the proof I give with this statement I made, instead of quoting me out of context.

http://www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16597#16597

[symtacs]

Prince,
I'm not saying that you don't loe the prophet. We love him too. I do anyway, dont know about others. But love him more than God? I read your post and your argument is baseless. It says that before Muhammad we didn't know about Allah, therefore he deserves more love. Faulty reasoning.

Frank wrote:
Standard mentality?A bit of an exaggeration,dont you think?

You are right. I made a hasty generalizing without having any statistics on me. I doubt there are any statistics on this front. I shouldn't have generalized by calling it a standard mentality. I apologize.

However, I must say this though, there are people out there, from the school of thought of Maulana Maudidi, who go to this extent. Some prefer HAdtihs over Quran, if a contradiction exists. I dont know how many or what percent. But unfortunately, there are some.

Frank, you know, you are my favorite sunni! lol.

[FRANK]

Salaams,Symtac....and Thanks :wink: And again I agree that anyone whom Puts the Prophet[sws] above Allah,In any way,is in-correct in doing so[and should repent],and further more,I also disagree with those whom put the hadeeth before the Quran,for instance,just like the whole  'should we stone or should we flog issue",[in regards to the punishment for adultery].....As we know,the companions of the Prophet[sws] had said that this punishment[stoning the adulterers to death ] was indeed [ at one time] in the Quran but was later destroyed,however,I say,that Had Allah intended for that particular punishment[stoning] to continue,He would have ensured that it remained in the  Qu'ran and not allowed it to become destroyed,Know what I mean?But Anyways-Salaams

[TheNabi]

Peace Frank

I say,that Had Allah intended for that particular punishment[stoning] to continue,He would have ensured that it remained in the Qu'ran and not allowed it to become destroyed,Know what I mean?

Can God, the Lord of the heavens and earth and all that is between not make up It's (God) mind from the very beginning? Is God not consistent?

Joe

[symtacs]

Can God, the Lord of the heavens and earth and all that is between not make up It's (God) mind from the very beginning? Is God not consistent?

Precisely! Good point Nabi. (PS: What makes you a nabi btw, just wondering).

Notice how certain hadiths really create doubts in our minds regarding the authencity and validity of Quran. And also notice how certain non-muslim propaganda machines use exactly those hadiths, to attack quran.

Now notice further, how we muslims actually EMBRACE that propaganda and spread it all over. In essence, we are activily promoting what was intended to harm us!

[TheNabi]

Peace Symtacs

Precisely! Good point Nabi. (PS: What makes you a nabi btw, just wondering).

Nothing really.  :wink:

Notice how certain hadiths really create doubts in our minds regarding the authencity and validity of Quran. And also notice how certain non-muslim propaganda machines use exactly those hadiths, to attack quran.

That is the purpose of these things.  :wink: They try to meet the challenge in 2:23 and 10:38 by snuffing out one light (see 61:8 ) and setting up another as the people do in 2:17-20.

Now notice further, how we muslims actually EMBRACE that propaganda and spread it all over. In essence, we are activily promoting what was intended to harm us!

People need 'focus' because they tend to go blind.  :wink:

Joe

[FRANK]

Nabi said:

'Can God, the Lord of the heavens and earth and all that is between not make up It's (God) mind from the very beginning? Is God not consistent?

Technically speaking,Allah can make or change whatever He wants...Allah tells us,clearly,that He ordained different things/rites/ceremonies,etc etc,at different times for different people,different places,and so on.......and were He to ordain stoning,and then retract it,who am I  to question?However this is an excellent question you asked, for, it leads me to another point  that it is only He  whom could change these things, and we cant yet there are those amongst us whom are mutilating the religion and making haraam what is halal ,and making halal what is haraam,and so on and so on-

[TheNabi]

Peace Frank

Allah tells us,clearly,that He ordained different things/rites/ceremonies,etc etc,at different times for different people,different places,and so on

The question still stands Frank, was this really a change of mind on God's part? If I was a king living for three generations and I appointed different ways for each kingdom under my hand would I be changing my mind in this instance?

Joe