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Mazhar

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #190 on: October 13, 2019, 04:17:47 AM »
Root: خ م ر

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur’ān:

a) Total occurrences: 7

b) No of constructions: 5 All Nouns

From the same Root two words apparently of meanings poles apart:





What is the relationship between both?

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #191 on: October 13, 2019, 10:09:17 AM »
Root: خ م ر

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur’ān:

a) Total occurrences: 7

b) No of constructions: 5 All Nouns

From the same Root two words apparently of meanings poles apart:





What is the relationship between both?
Salam,

Relationship in bold in my text below :

In 24:31 this term derives from the root khamara: to cover, to wrap, to hide, and thus etymologically the word khumur, plural of khimâr, designates all that serves to hide and to hide from the glances. Thus we can deduce that by khimâr we must understand only the function that the Quran confers on it: anything that can be useful to hide the neckline and translated by a generic word that is "stuff".

In the other other verses it means the wine whose abusive consumption hides the intellect.

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #192 on: October 13, 2019, 10:51:56 AM »
Salam,

Relationship in bold in my text below :

In 24:31 this term derives from the root khamara: to cover, to wrap, to hide, and thus etymologically the word khumur, plural of khimâr, designates all that serves to hide and to hide from the glances. Thus we can deduce that by khimâr we must understand only the function that the Quran confers on it: anything that can be useful to hide the neckline and translated by a generic word that is "stuff".

In the other other verses it means the wine whose abusive consumption hides the intellect.

Peace

Yes. Right you are. Very fine.

The amazing fact about the Roots of Arabic is that the perception enfolded in them is reflective of physical—scientific realities pertaining both to matter and life. They seem as if they are the baseline for scientific study and investigation. What alcoholic drink:  has to do with the scarf of cloth put over the bosoms of a woman? It has the same affect that is caused by the one or two drinks, i.e. blurred vision.

The size and shape of the bosoms gets blurred for the vision of onlooker if an extra scarf is placed over the chest. Thereby, his brain gets no signal to trigger negative emotion.

http://haqeeqat.pk/roots/(415).htm

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #193 on: October 14, 2019, 11:22:13 AM »
Interesting thought. Allah knows best.

This example shows us how it is important to find the core meaning of the root of a word before putting a form.
I saw your translation of 5:90 ".. The Certain Facts About the Alcoholic Beverages and Gambling ...". and the word "wal-maysiru" by "Gambling".
What is the relationship between the core meaning of "ease" that comes from this root and the word "Gambling"?
Peace.
 
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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #194 on: October 16, 2019, 11:47:29 AM »
Interesting thought. Allah knows best.

This example shows us how it is important to find the core meaning of the root of a word before putting a form.
I saw your translation of 5:90 ".. The Certain Facts About the Alcoholic Beverages and Gambling ...". and the word "wal-maysiru" by "Gambling".
What is the relationship between the core meaning of "ease" that comes from this root and the word "Gambling"?
Peace.

Good point.

Root: ى س ر

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur’ān:

a) Total occurrences: 44

b) No of constructions: 18

It occurs in 40 Ayahs in 27 Sura

Nouns: 10; Recurrence: 29;  Verb: 8 Recurrence: 15 [Form-II: 11; Form-V: 2; Form-X: 2]

Ibn Faris [died 1005] stated:

(مقاييس اللغة)

الْيَاءُ وَالسِّينُ وَالرَّاءُ: أَصْلَانِ يَدُلُّ أَحَدُهُمَا عَلَى انْفِتَاحِ شَيْءٍ وَخِفَّتِهِ، وَالْآخَرُ عَلَى عُضْوٍ مِنَ الْأَعْضَاء

َالْأَوَّلُ: الْيُسْرُ: ضِدُّ الْعُسْرِ. وَالْيَسَرَاتُ: الْقَوَائِمُ الْخِفَافُ

That it firstly leads to the perception of liberality and openness of a thing and its lightness. Thereby, it is contra. of difficult, hard, strait and intricate.

Lane Lexicon : He was, or became, gentle, and tractable, submissive, manageable, or easy; He (God) made it, or rendered it, easy; facilitated it. It (a thing) was, or became, facilitated, or easy;  contr. of difficult, hard, strait, or intricate;

Classical Lexicons

The Root relates to activity and set of circumstance and thus is an experience. An experience has an easy or difficult time carrying out an activity.

It is also used to refer to gambling, game of chance because the consideration behind it is easiness in making money.

http://haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1639).htm

What is harmful in it? Please suggest to include it in the dictionary.

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #195 on: October 16, 2019, 10:47:38 PM »
Very goog job with your lexicographic cards (a good synthesis specially to find the core concept by using Ibn Faris). That Allah bless you for your work. After, only Allah and his last book can confirm the work of human being (as human works it is perfectible).

I think it is not specially the place here (an another subject in this forum?) but it will be interesting to analyse the Quranic context and in particular to answer at the question you raise : Why excess of "Gambling" is a bad evil ? With quranic proofs/evidences of course not just imagination.
We can understand, and signs are given in The Quran, about Wine (alcohol inside) but "Gambling" ? either it is forbidden or it is allowed otherwise what is the limit of excess?

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #196 on: October 17, 2019, 02:09:31 AM »
Very goog job with your lexicographic cards (a good synthesis specially to find the core concept by using Ibn Faris). That Allah bless you for your work. After, only Allah and his last book can confirm the work of human being (as human works it is perfectible).

I think it is not specially the place here (an another subject in this forum?) but it will be interesting to analyse the Quranic context and in particular to answer at the question you raise : Why excess of "Gambling" is a bad evil ? With quranic proofs/evidences of course not just imagination.
We can understand, and signs are given in The Quran, about Wine (alcohol inside) but "Gambling" ? either it is forbidden or it is allowed otherwise what is the limit of excess?

Peace

The intention of each gambler is to become owner of other's wealth. Eventually he may become lethargic, dilapidated in undertaking efforts for economics.

I have put all the Ayahs where it occurs. Please advise about the suitability of word choice in different contexts like gentle, smooth, convenient.

Affect of gambling is given in Ayahs.

http://haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1639).htm

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #197 on: October 19, 2019, 07:58:34 AM »
Arabic is the Principal language.

Root: د ر ر

Only two nouns are used:

; and

http://haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/04.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20006/64.%20Midraran%20Daal%20Ra%20Ra/2.gif

Strange and amazing:

one means timely and abundant rain;

while other means Pearl.

What is common in them with reference to Concept in the Root?

http://haqeeqat.pk/roots/(445).htm

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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #198 on: October 22, 2019, 10:11:41 AM »
Arabic is the Principal language.

Root: د ر ر

Only two nouns are used:

; and

http://haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/04.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20006/64.%20Midraran%20Daal%20Ra%20Ra/2.gif

Strange and amazing:

one means timely and abundant rain;

while other means Pearl.

What is common in them with reference to Concept in the Root?

http://haqeeqat.pk/roots/(445).htm

My answer : An abundant flow that originates in another thing. It can be the milk, the rain, the light..
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Re: Project: 'Root List'
« Reply #199 on: October 22, 2019, 10:53:39 AM »
My answer : An abundant flow that originates in another thing. It can be the milk, the rain, the light..

Relationship with the other word from this Root --Pearl is under study.