#### ayman

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« on: June 07, 2008, 12:48:48 AM »
This is an open message to all honest Code 19 discoverers.

We always hear about your amazing discoveries of Code 19 "precise mathematical miracle" usually followed by a self congratulory "praise the lord" or "allahu akbar".

How come we never hear about your failures (followed by "darn it" or whatever)?

I have a theory and I hope that you would honestly help me see if it is true or not. My theory is that for every success celebrated, there are 18 failures that are never mentioned.

Now, if you are using a computer program then you have to be careful because a program that presents you with the successful results is in fact masking the failures. For example, if your program goes through iterations or loops, then please keep track of how many loops it went through until it achieved the result. This can be easily done by adding a counter to the loop and displaying the count with the result. So for example, if the program went through 19 loops to get the 1 successful result then you know that you had 18 failures and you can post them here on this thread.

This thread is not for debating Code 19. The thread should speak for itself. If honest Code 19 discoverers share their failures then we would be able to see the success to failure ratio without need for a debate. If no one shares their failures then the question of "how come we never hear about your failures?" still stands. I hope that everyone can see that my request is reasonable.

MODERATORS: Please make this a sticky subject so that we can see how many honest Code 19 discoverers will respond so that we can put this issue to rest once and for all.

Peace,

Ayman

#### Hati

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2008, 07:01:57 AM »
Salam,

"...their number We have appointed only as a trial for the unbelievers..."[74:31]

The Unbelievers (Sura 109):

109 1 109 2 109 3 109 4 109 5 109 6  654 21  1230 = 19 x 5742680057532074260584034432170.0000

The above is easily found because I already have in mind to put append 1230 to the sura numbers and their sum.

On the other hand if I just want to experiment to find a four digit number from 1000 to 9999, in each experiment how many trials will I make to
make a first hit on 1230?

I ll make 19 experiments using MS Excel VBA as follows:

Private Sub CommandButton1_Click()
Const a = 1000
Const b = 9999
Dim i, N As Integer
Dim X As Double
N = 1
While N < 20
i = 1
X = 0
While X <> 1230
X = Rnd() * (b - a) + a
X = CInt(X)
Cells(N, "b").Value = i
i = i + 1
Wend
N = N + 1
Wend
End Sub

And the result after one run is:

Experiment   No. of trials
Number    for first hit on 1230
1   6783
2   6497
3   821
4   17102
5   11491
6   8279
7   4217
8   34232
9   576
10   4048
11   5926
12   6397
13   20342
14   4707
15   15494
16   10405
17   8351
18   4328
19   15147

God bless you

Hati

#### ayman

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2008, 10:48:08 AM »
Peace Hati and all HONEST Code 19 discoverers,

Are you trying to say that in all your trials you easily got a 19 divisible on every single trial because you already had in mind to append 1230 (or some number) to a sura number and their sum. You NEVER EVER tried to add instead of append, etc., etc.?

Hati, this thread is not about your successes. You have already well publicized those in other places. Are you trying to tell us that you NEVER had a single failed trial?

Peace,

Ayman

#### Hati

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 07:15:01 PM »
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Peace Hati and all HONEST Code 19 discoverers,

Are you trying to say that in all your trials you easily got a 19 divisible on every single trial because you already had in mind to append 1230 (or some number) to a sura number and their sum. You NEVER EVER tried to add instead of append, etc., etc.?

Hati, this thread is not about your successes. You have already well publicized those in other places. Are you trying to tell us that you NEVER had a single failed trial?

Peace,

Ayman

Salam Ayman,

That is only because Rshad claim his number is 1230.
But to the contrary in first the experiment, I got thru 6783 trials before I hit 1230. That means I have 6782 errors! In the second 6496 errors before I got 1230....

Experiment   No. of trials
Number    for first hit on 1230
1   6783
2   6497
...

So its not the first hit.  The longer it takes if the numbers are generated manually. That s why 74:31 warns us that their number is a trial...

God bless you.

Hati

#### Hati

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 07:46:24 PM »

Salam Ayman,

I think you need reaction from the Code 19 people. Because the verses I used includes 9128 and 9129. They dont accept this inclusion.

God bless you.

#### Bahman

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 08:49:51 PM »
Salam Ayman,

I think you need reaction from the Code 19 people. Because the verses I used includes 9128 and 9129. They dont accept this inclusion.

God bless you.
Dear Hati
Awoozo Be all men Ar Shaitan Ragim , Besmallahe ar Ramaneh ar ? Raheem? ( God not Human)
Slowly you show you shadowy side .
The Fox was asked who is your witness you did not stole that chicken . Fox answered my TAIL
I have warned you already that Code 19 is only for context of Quran?s properties not name of prophets and messengers.  Unless those verses that God directly authors their task and duties.

As I have stated none of our discoveries could be considered part of Mircale unless to checked and be certified by those that can understand textual-
I know excel as much to do -+/* and don have more knowledge like you or Ayman to program it to take us to place we like to see it is multiple of 19.
I have not had time to follow your finding if create security system by interlocking Quran (GR ) Alone properties like Main core of Miracle which 50% it has been verified by our Dear brother Layth Shaban which he was another disbeliever prior to that..
All I am asking you is please do not play game with Quran?s Code and be sure you do not mix context of only infallible and secured Words Of Godwith external fallible sources  in this earthly clobe which  moajority of its habitant following Satan Please

By the way almost all those finding new patterns publish they Real name unless you have security reason like brother As?ad.
Peace and hope you understand how our mistake can be used as Pirhaneh Ossman , Osmman?s Shirt .
Peace.

#### Bahman

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 10:28:02 PM »
This is an open message to all honest Code 19 discoverers.

We always hear about your amazing discoveries of Code 19 "precise mathematical miracle" usually followed by a self congratulory "praise the lord" or "allahu akbar".

How come we never hear about your failures (followed by "darn it" or whatever)?

I have a theory and I hope that you would honestly help me see if it is true or not. My theory is that for every success celebrated, there are 18 failures that are never mentioned.

Now, if you are using a computer program then you have to be careful because a program that presents you with the successful results is in fact masking the failures. For example, if your program goes through iterations or loops, then please keep track of how many loops it went through until it achieved the result. This can be easily done by adding a counter to the loop and displaying the count with the result. So for example, if the program went through 19 loops to get the 1 successful result then you know that you had 18 failures and you can post them here on this thread.

This thread is not for debating Code 19. The thread should speak for itself. If honest Code 19 discoverers share their failures then we would be able to see the success to failure ratio without need for a debate. If no one shares their failures then the question of "how come we never hear about your failures?" still stands. I hope that everyone can see that my request is reasonable.

MODERATORS: Please make this a sticky subject so that we can see how many honest Code 19 discoverers will respond so that we can put this issue to rest once and for all.

Peace,

Ayman
Peace
74:31
Why you are such disturbed that trying to confuse truth seekers with your nonsense accusations.
Why instead of all these posts and article stick here and there use you PHD knowledge and just produce one of those already discovered and create a security interlock like GR then I promise you I will be the first one that will publish it in my sites :
http://y19.net/
http://creatorsignature.com
http://earthcitizen.net/
and you tube too .
You will be Famous like Roshdi and all Mohammedan?s treacheries and actually all world  corrupted religions will give their compliments pluse lot of wealth
I will announce my confession and my saving and will announce my appreciation for such  Cyber ID  guiding me to truth and fact.
I will return to my agnostic and follow my life as I have done plus benefit I got from believing in Quran Words of God for first decay.
But all those can be a dream for you and be ware of Day of Judgment ( If you believe) and remember a olde man asked you for favour you did not comply and in reverse trying to confuse those that are in search for truth.

You claimed that you have PHD in mathematic and is saddening for mw to see with such knowledge can not see the fact and truth.
Honestly my mathematic is at level of high school plus a little more to understand Ohm?s law formula and other electrical theories but not very high level as I have been professional  in  Generation and Transmission Operation and later with many training courses in Canada. Us, and European countries  obtained  proficiency and specialist  in Pulp and Paper automation processing line.
Soon I will upload my resume not for job but at least be accepted by those that do not know me and those that think I am loony and psycho.
From family picture and dress code  I understand that my grand father was a clergy merchant.  I was sad all the time and accusing my father and his brother which after grand deied used all his wealth chasing women , alcohol, gambling and etc..   I remember when I was kid and leaving in home he was drinking every night even did not have enough to buy me anew shoe and when getting drunk was beating my mother because he was a man and according to THESE PEOPLE FETWAS he was allowed to do so.
But most time he was citing in drunlness:
Mnabaro Masjeed Besoozan , Maleh Mardom Nabar.
"Burn Masjeed and its preaching stand but do not rip off poeple."
No many time I Have vision that those wealth left from father was not clean and my father knew.  He was atheist and never seen him to pray or going to masque. He hardly could read and write but knew ABJAD very well.  He was speaking good  Arabic as he was born in Najaf , Iraq and grew there.
Now  I am happy what happened and I was lucky that my father was not following what my grand was doing . Other way I ahd reble time with my parents and relatives which can not understand  God Alone, Quran Alone.
Unfortunately I was censored, mocked and banned by some moderator which was hard for them to use Quran Alone. and here again I do not want that happens.
Honestly I never used excel  for my findings. I am not sitting behind this screen and using programs for hours to find one matching multiple of 19.
I do not know how to program it and then how I can find the one matches for example your name which I think is E-Man  ایمان ? Bleief?  .
Here I use my own created abjad keyboard offers by MS. Simply when I want to change ایمان  to its letter value  I switch to Abjad and type your name :
11040150
now I copy and past  that number in calc.
The result can yes or no to be multiple of 19 .
In case of yes it is creating an interlock because changing number will destruct  the pattern 1  10   40   1   50  ن   ا    م    ا
I do this once awhile and most time pick it up from topics here and there.  Sometimes months later I publish it as I forget it. For eample I have worked with few verses God authored that ?Jesus is not His son?  Surfing in you tube for Ahmed Deedat  took me to his discussion for proofing the topic which insisted me to search for ant connection of code 19.
Of course by discovering such important link I pray (citing Chapter key  seven verses in Arabic and at the I cite Praise be to God which usually  I print here too.
All my works are like that and believe me I am not lying . But wonder if you know with numbers works then just produce one like those using ONLY numerical properties of GR and then you will be famous like Roshdi.
Peace.
74:31

#### ayman

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 02:05:57 PM »
Peace Bahman,

I appreciate you sharing your story and experience and I think that it is important and deserves its own thread where we can discuss it and benefit from it.

Please, Bahman, you are obviously a wise and honorable man so do the right and honest thing and share some of your failed trials. There is nothing shameful or wrong about sharing failures because people can learn more truthfully from both successes and failures. On the other hand, sharing only the successes and brushing the failures under the rug gives honest truth seekers like you the wrong impression that you succeeded in each and every one of your trials to find a Code 19 and it makes it seem as if Code 19 is everywhere.

I am again appealing to your honesty and the honesty of all Code 19 discovers for the sake of the truth to answer the very simple request on this thread.

Peace,

Ayman

#### mr. humble

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 10:14:19 AM »
i never "understood" the "basics of code 19"

whareally makes it a "miraculous code 19"?

can someone kindly explain to me the basics of "code 19"

all i could fathom was that this "Rashad Khalifa" person "discovered" "code 19" which represents what?

does the claim say that everything in quran is DIVISIBLE by number 19? what is it meant by "everything in quran"?

this "code19" i think doesn't exist in quran because beside the number 19, the upholders of code 19 fail to prove the significance of all other numbers affiliated with it like the chapter numbers in the quran... and verses like 54:something and events...

does the quran specifically hint out that allah has preserved a code in this scripture which will be later discovered a later "messenger" when allah specifically said in the quran that Mohmmad(PBUH) is the last and final messenger of ALLAH?

33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

"So have Patience(O Mohammad)! Allah's promise is the very truth, and let not those who have uncertainty make you impatient."
-Surah 30:60 (Translation from M.M. Pickthall)

#### i believe

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2008, 10:44:44 AM »
Peace Humble,

Have you checked out www.submission.org or www.masjidtucson.org ?

There are detailed explanations there.

I am one of those that believe there is a code embedded in Quran but don't necessarily subscribe to everything Rashad Khalifa said. If you want to chat it about from my personal point of view PM or IM me.

Peace
[74:30] Over it is nineteen

[6:59] He knows everything on land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls without His knowledge. Nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil. Nor is there anything wet or dry, that is not recorded in a profound record.