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Hadith fraud
ardee:
Does anyone know about the Sahifah Hammam ibn Munabbih?
The hadith writers have been raving over this "find". It is supposed authentic hadith that were discovered recently by Muhammad Hamidullah. This collection proved that hadith were recorded 120 years before Bukhari and dealt a death knell to the Ahle Quran. It showed that haduth were written in the first century after the death of the Prophet (saw).
This collection of hadith are called "The Sahifa of Hammam bin Munabbeh" as it was written by Hammam bin Munabbeh in the 8th century CE.
This was an astounding find and music excuse the pun to the hadithists ears.
Please note that Hamidullah lived in France until 1998 when he moved to the USA till he died in 2002. He claimed that this person named Hammam bin Munabbeh wrote this collection of Hadith in the 8th century CE and that he (Hamidullah) translated it into English in 1993-94. Now the question that the hadithists never asked was:
Where was it discovered? In the basement of Hamidullah?s apartment in Paris! This is after all where Hamidullah lived? How did this collection get there? Where is the authentic arabic script?
Today still we will find many websites dedicated to this collection. But none can produce the authentic arabic script. Yet in 1993 technology has advanced to the extend that such a manuscripts could be authenticated. Furthermore, it could also be preserved for later generations. But, where is this script?
Now see what the esteemed Dr Shabbir wrote regarding this on being questioned about this hadith collection:
"I will have to write these lines with some restraint since the man is dead and with much resentment since he caused huge damage to Al-Islam through his nasty fabrication.
Muhammad Hamidullah of Deccan (1908-2002) spent 50 years in France after the fall of Deccan to India in 1948 and exiled himself to France (1948-98). From France he moved to the USA in 1998 when he was 90 years old. He imposed himself on and lived with his brother?s great grand-daughter in Florida and died in 2002. None of his family, friends, colleagues or students honored or cared for the old man?s life and death in France, India, Pakistan or elsewhere! The Mullahs in Pakistan persuaded the government to decorate him for his lame services.
In his death confessions he admitted that he had fabricated the said scroll or booklet, ?The Sahifa of Hammam bin Munabbeh?.
What else could please the ?Islamic? clergy more than finding a scroll of Hadith 120 years before Bukhari? Mullah Ikhwan Sarhadi Afindi applauded: ?Hamidullah?s DISCOVERY (in Paris!) of the earliest EXTANT work of Hadith, the Sahifah Hammam ibn Munabbih, comprising as-Sahifah of Abu Hurairah (RA) prepared for his pupil Hammam ibn Munabbih (d.101 Hijri) is accomplishment of the century.? [This statement should speak for itself. Discovery in Paris of the earliest extant work - Wow!]
When the load on his conscience became unbearable, Hamidullah decided to lighten it by sharing. Shabbir was one of the many people whom he called in 1999. He admitted that he had done the forgery in good faith but only when he was losing his faculties due to senility. He admitted plagiarizing from the SAHAH SITTAH. I asked him the intentions behind his plagiarism and forgery. His answer did not surprise me, ?To provide some credibility to the Ahadith that was being shaken by some Quranite voices.?
I wish, I was not compelled to divulge his confession. I am doing so at your and many viewers? insistence but mostly because Hamidullah was the most unsuccessful ?scholar? whose contrived ?Sahifa? has become a source of misguidance for many.
Earlier he had claimed that some Hammam bin Munabbeh wrote this collection of Hadith in the 8th century CE and that he (Hamidullah) translated it into English in 1993-94. Where was it discovered? In the basement of Hamidullah?s apartment in Paris! Why did it remain hidden for 12 centuries and why wasn?t it translated by anyone before? Why didn?t Munabbeh make copies of the little scroll? Why didn?t anyone hear about it or mention it at all in any writings all through these centuries? Is it free of lewdness, insults to the exalted Prophet, his family and companions, and shameless irrationalities? No! Think & Reflect!
OK Sir Hamidullah, where is the original Arabic scroll? ?I don?t know why I burned it.?
In 50 years Hamidullah could not write a notable book or even a worthy pamphlet although he was prolific and profuse with his crooked pen. His French translation of the Quran is considered as one of the most flawed attempts and he could not attract a single European to Islam in 50 years.
I would grant him some space in the Guinness Book of World Records as the most incompetent scholar of the 20th century.
We could easily neglect him until he got his forgery published in 1994 (not 1894). I did take immediate notice in my newspaper columns and the new website in 2001.
I would have deleted your post and my answer because of my heavy criticism. Ah, but there is that ?Sahifa? which the Mullahs are using to mislead people.
Finally, there is always something to learn from evil. Hamidullah has shown us how easy it was for the ancient Criminals of Islam to work their fabrications under royal patronage." end of quote.
Yes, another fabrication, and yet major islamic websites dedicated to it. They have not done one ounch of investigation as commanded in the Quran in Surah Israa (chapter 17) verse 36 not to accept anything blindly but to verify our information first.
Sadly, the ulama of the world blindly gobbled this up.
hlatif:
Sahifat hammam is widely available in arabic. It was known by the scholars throughout muslim history and was studied. It is not limited to Paris or Deccan.
However, if you want to discard it you can. Hammam bin Munbih died in the year 132 H. There are other better known early collectors of hadeeth who were his contemporaries. Malik bin Anas published his famous Muwatta which the premier source of law for the Maliki school of thought. He was born 93 H and died 179 H. His book is everywhere and is no new discovery. It preceded Bikhari by a 100 years. Layth bin saad born 94-175H had his book as well.
Hussein
Hati:
Salaam,
--- Quote ---However, if you want to discard it you can. Hammam bin Munbih died in the year 132 H. There are other better known early collectors of hadeeth who were his contemporaries. Malik bin Anas published his famous Muwatta which the premier source of law for the Maliki school of thought. He was born 93 H and died 179 H. His book is everywhere and is no new discovery. It preceded Bikhari by a 100 years. Layth bin saad born 94-175H had his book as well.
--- End quote ---
Read:
[068:036] What ails you then, how you judge?
[068:037] Or have you a Book wherein you study?
[068:038] Surely therein you shall have whatever you choose!
[068:039] Or have you oaths from Us, reaching to the Day of Resurrection? Surely you shall have whatever you judge!
[068:040] Ask them, which of them will guarantee that!
[068:041] Or do they have associates? Then let them bring their associates, if they speak truly.
[068:042] Upon the day when the leg shall be bared, and they shall be summoned to bow themselves, but they cannot;
[068:043] humbled shall be their eyes, and abasement shall overspread them, for they had been summoned to bow themselves while they were whole.
[068:044] So leave Me with him who cries lies to this discourse! We will draw them on little by little whence they know not;
[068:044] Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith; we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
As seen above the Quran is clear in asking us " have you a Book wherein you study? " [68:37]
Hati
ardee:
--- Quote from: hlatif on March 04, 2008, 01:54:33 PM ---Sahifat hammam is widely available in arabic. It was known by the scholars throughout muslim history and was studied. It is not limited to Paris or Deccan.
Hussein
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This Sahifat was accorded almost similiar esteem as the Dead sea scrolls. At least with the scrolls, the original manuscripts are available. The question is, where is this original manuscript?
Yes, the Sahifat is widely known in arabic. But from what period? Prior to Mr Hamidullah?
What scholars studied it? What procedure was followed to authenticate the document?
No, my friend, we were too eager to embrace this as proof to the world of the truth of our religion. And at the same time to administer a telling blow to the Quran Alone community that is growing all over the world.
Strangely, that you do not comment on the confession of our Mr Hamidullah of his fraud?
Arnold Yasin:
Peace,
It doesn't matter when things were written down. After Persia was conquered, thousands of enemies of Islam poured into Arabia to disrupt and undermine the system. So lies were spread from day one.
What the Quran says is what counts, not the age of historical records.
6:112 Remember, We have appointed to every prophet enemies. The
rebellious among the urban and the rural populations rose in opposition,
(since the message struck at their personal interests.) They plotted and
inspired each other with fancy words. If your Lord willed, they would not
do that. Disregard them and whatever they fabricate.
6:113 Those who love quick gains and neglect the long-term benefits
and the Hereafter, are parties to such fabrications. Let them delight in it
and let them earn from it what they may.
6:114 Say, “Shall I seek for Judge and Ruler someone other than God?
He is the One Who has revealed this Book, well expounded in detail for
you.” Those whom We have given the Book know that this is revealed in
truth from your Lord. Be not among those who argue for the sake of
argument.
6:115 Perfected is the Word of your Lord in truth and Justice. None can
change His Words and His laws. And He is the Profound Hearer, the
Knower. [6:34, 6:115, 10:64, 17:77, 18:27, 33:38, 33:62, 40:85, 48:23]
6:116 (People will confront you with what the majority is doing.) Now if
you pay heed to, or get intimidated by majority of those who live on
earth, they will lead you astray from God’s way. Most of the people
follow nothing but conjecture and they only live by guesswork.
6:117 Only your Lord (shows the right path and) knows best those who
stray and those who are rightly guided.
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