Artificial Insemination.

[OPF]

Salam.

No bad language!

Don't call lesbians idiotic. They're just a little confused, that's all. They need to analzye themselves, they need to ask themselves why did they decide to become lesbians. No one is born gay or a lesbian, right? Cause and effect, right? So, what causes it? That is the next question.

Who knows, maybe next lesbian decides to accept Islam, we don't know the future.

Be careful with words, you might hurt people.

Peace.

In this planet called Earth, natural selection holds true - don't breed, you die. Nobody remotely cares if you die, and more importantly, nobody can do ANYTHING to stop you from dying, if God wills it.

I didn't call all lesbians idiots, don't misinterpret what I say. Idiocy is deserved. Bringing up a child without a father, or mother figure is idiotic. Plain and simple, lesbian, gay, straight, or not, it is flat out idiocy.

[BabyThespy]

I think that artificial insemination is a very good advancement in medicine. It is basically a miracle for women who are less fertile than most. I believe that in a situation where a married couple are trying to have a child, but one or the other is not fertile enough to have one through the normal way, artificial insemination is a wonderful thing, and not remotely sinful b/c if they are not meant to have a child, then they won't have one. I believe that a couple attempting and failing to have a child should exhaust all possibilities before giving up.

[Samia]

It is basically a miracle for women who are less fertile than most.

It is the other way round: for men who are not fertile, or less fertile than others.

Back to the thread. When discussing matters of marriage and birth people tend to forget the most important side of the matter: children. What woudld be of those fatherless children? Children are not lab rats to try something like artificial insemination and see what happens. We already have one or two generations of fatherless children, especially after the two world wars. They suffer a lot for not knowing who their fathers are. What shall we expect when we have children who can not even have hope to find a father?

Those who can not conceive can simply adopt. Many fatherless children are already there ; why add to them many more? God commanded us concerning orphans and vulnerable children. If we do not adopt them and prefer to go for our own ego to have our own artificial child, this is a big sin

[BabyThespy]

It is the other way round: for men who are not fertile, or less fertile than others.

Thank you for the clarification.

When discussing matters of marriage and birth people tend to forget the most important side of the matter: children. What woudld be of those fatherless children? Children are not lab rats to try something like artificial insemination and see what happens. We already have one or two generations of fatherless children, especially after the two world wars. They suffer a lot for not knowing who their fathers are. What shall we expect when we have children who can not even have hope to find a father?

I completely agree that children should not grow up fatherless. It is a terrible thing and can create very deep emotional scars. My father's father left when he was 2 years old and b/c of this, he has always had a problem with acceptance. Watching him, I can only imagine what it would be like for a child who has no chance of ever knowing who his/her father is.

Those who can not conceive can simply adopt. Many fatherless children are already there ; why add to them many more? God commanded us concerning orphans and vulnerable children. If we do not adopt them and prefer to go for our own ego to have our own artificial child, this is a big sin

Don't get me wrong, I am all for adoption. In fact, I hope to adopt at least one child. I was just saying that if a couple wants a child and is having trouble, they should look into all their possibilities, and that includes adoption. However, I believe that if they are not intended to have a child, then they won't, but if they are, they will.

[Arnold Yasin]

It is the other way round: for men who are not fertile, or less fertile than others.

Back to the thread. When discussing matters of marriage and birth people tend to forget the most important side of the matter: children. What woudld be of those fatherless children? Children are not lab rats to try something like artificial insemination and see what happens. We already have one or two generations of fatherless children, especially after the two world wars. They suffer a lot for not knowing who their fathers are. What shall we expect when we have children who can not even have hope to find a father?

Those who can not conceive can simply adopt. Many fatherless children are already there ; why add to them many more? God commanded us concerning orphans and vulnerable children. If we do not adopt them and prefer to go for our own ego to have our own artificial child, this is a big sin

Peace,

100% agree, the focus is not on fornication, as that has more to do with protecting public moral and family life and preventing spread of diseases.

The point here is, that the semen-sponsor neglects its duty to take its fair share of the nourishment of the child. Meaning, that a spermbank in an Islamic State may only give semen to a women who also has a husband so the child is not fatherless and 2 parents are taking care of the child, as is the rule in the Quran.

[RA786]

Peace,

100% agree, the focus is not on fornication, as that has more to do with protecting public moral and family life and preventing spread of diseases.

The point here is, that the semen-sponsor neglects its duty to take its fair share of the nourishment of the child. Meaning, that a spermbank in an Islamic State may only give semen to a women who also has a husband so the child is not fatherless and 2 parents are taking care of the child, as is the rule in the Quran.

This topic is OLD from 2007 its 2011... But I was watching TV and reading online that Sperm kept in Sperm Banks can remain frozen Forever and STILL be used.
In fact there was a couple who used the sperm of another man that died 21 years ago and she successfully got pregnant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_bank

Now I am not sure what the Quran says about this...Obviously this technology was not around 1400 years ago so we would have to read and see if it can somehow apply or not..but there is just a Natural Creepy felling about this kind of thing. IT doesnt seem natural or right. I dont even know how to begin to justify my position..i guess its just a natural feeling I have against it.

Here is what a Traditional (hadithist) Islam Website says about it: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar&cid=1119503544456

Personally, I would refrain. I agree with the website:

we say that as it is not lawful to carry out insemination on a wife, using the sperm of a dead husband, and it is not permissible to use the sperm of any person other than the husband himself

I am not sure what Quran or Hadith reference they use for this judgment...but I also dont know how to refute it, it just sound like a no-no.

Any thoughts?


PDF Muslims making babies
Sunni/Shiite http://iussp2005.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=50567

[Helel]

I believe it depends on an individuals motives, circumstances and the like. Under true Islamic law I doubt there would be much motivation for this course of action anyway.

[Jafar]

Salam.

Does anyone know if artificial insemination is a sin?
I mean, is it a sin, if a man goes to the sperm bank, makes a deposit, goes home, some woman comes to the sperm bank, makes a withdraw and has his baby?

It's not fornication, right?

Except, the baby cannot be born out of wedlock, right?

Any thoughts?
Please, quote The Quran.

Peace.

I don't think so...
Jesus was one of the first human resulted from "Artificial Insemination"...

Salam / Peace

[RA786]

I don't think so...
Jesus was one of the first human resulted from "Artificial Insemination"...

Salam / Peace

Well I wouldnt consider Jesus as an example because if he has no father then he cant be made from insemination. Insemination requires semen.
I would say Jesuses example of creation would be like adam (if you believe in that sort of thing).