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Started by mr. humble, April 14, 2006, 07:45:54 PM

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mr. humble

peace all,

according to this site, the miraaj story is completely illogical. but however, on a certain poll i found someone say that abu huraira's narration is false while other narration are accurate. then again my inquiry is who narrated miraaj?

in my opinion, miraaj is the central reason why five time prayer is widely practiced.


peace, rifat

mr. humble

i apologize for posting this "useless" forum because i have found this verse in the quran:

"And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers that have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn your back on your heels? And whomever turns back on his heels, he will not harm god in the least. And God will reward the thankful" (3: 145)

heheh, i made a mistake posting this...

by the way, what does the word mohammed mean in english? according to one hadith his name was ahmed, which means that "the one who is praised" so i think 'mohammed' means the one who praises. right?

ik75243

in fact his name is in the Quran 4 times.  And I believe you are right on the meaning.

3:144, 33:40, 47:2, 48:29

Arnold Yasin

Peace,

The miraaj story is one of the biggest frauds in the muslim world as it spread through out the Muslim world after Jerusalem was concquered. The story goes that when the dome of the rock was build, people were spreading a story that Muhammed had chosen the place, later on they said Muhammed also went to heaven on that spot. This story came into being as the rock was pointed as the place were Jacob had a dream were he saw a ladder to heaven were angels were travelling up and down. So they just copied the story on Muhammed.

The two oldest versions are the ones in comments by Raghib(if i'm not mistaken) and the one made by Ibn Ishaak. Raghib said it refers to that Muhammed went from Mecca to Medina, and Ibn Ishaak mentiones in his biography (one of the oldest, more then 100 years before Bukhari) that Muhammed one day woke up and went to Abu Bakr and mentiones he dreamed(only dreamed!) that he was in heaven and talked there with people. He doesn't mention at all about any prayers. If the prayer-miraaj version is true, how could have Ibn Ishaak has missed such an important point? This only shows the story in Bukhari is a fake story.

Peace

agentxxx

peace arnoldyasin/all,

i agree with you regarding the story of miraaj.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 608
March 22nd, 632 A.D..
On this night the Angel Gabriel, after slitting open the Prophet's (PBUH) chest, washed it and it's contents with water from "Zam-Zam Spring" . Thereafter he (Angel Gabriel)  poured Faith and wisdom from a golden tray into the Prophet's Heart.
The Prophet (PBUH) then mounted a "Burraq" (a white horse like animal who RAN so swift he could reach Jerusalem from Makkah within the twinkling of an eye). At Jerusalem the Prophet  was given a red carpet reception by all of Allah's former Prophets (124,000 minus one) and all of Allah's Angels. They all offered prayers "Namaaz" under his Supervision "Imammat".

When the Prophet came out of Masjid-e-Aqsa the angel Gabriel offered him two bowls, one containing wine and the other milk. The Prophet chose the bowl of milk. On this Gabriel said "He adopted the way of Nature".

Then Gabriel took the Prophet to the 1st Heaven where He saw a man who looked on his right and was very happy, ecstatic but when he looked on his left he cried and wept. On inquiring, the Prophet  was informed that this was Adam. Adam was very happy to see the souls of his offspring (all who were born and died up to that point in time) on his right side, as they were pious and chaste but on his left side the souls were evil and sinful.

Then one by one he visited all the Levels of Heaven. On the 6th Level he met Abraham, Idris, Moses and Jesus. Thereafter he went up to meet Allah. On reaching Sidrat-ul-Muntaha, (which is a stopover in the name of a tree in paradise) he parted company with Gabriel (as Gabriel's Wings would have burned had he gotten any closer to Allah's Glory) and continued on to Allah. The Prophet sat about two bow lengths away from Allah and held a very candid and informal meeting.

The Prophet (PBUH) came away from this meeting with a gift for mankind, 50 Prayers "Namaaz" a day. On reaching the 6th heaven Moses advised the Prophet (PBUH) to return to Allah for a in the number of prayers. After many trips back and forth under the wise instruction of Moses a reduction was obtained to 5 Namaaz a day.

When the Prophet  returned home, he found his bed was still warm and saw the chain lock on the door still swinging. This journey had lasted some 27 years but here on earth only an eye blink worth of time had passed.
 
Now let's examine the FACTS.
1.The journey occurred on March 22nd 620 A.D. Dome of the Rock was built Built by Abd-al-Malik (governor of Jerusalem) in 691 A.D. or 71 years later. So there was no Mosque "Masjid" in existance in 620 AD.
How was a journey made to a non existant Masjid?

2.The Dome of the Rock is not a mosque, but a sanctuary! Considered the 3rd most holy place, to commemorate the Mi'raj. Yet nothing is inscribed about the Mi'raj, but polemic verses about Jesus
Why are Verses inscribed about Jesus and nothing about the Mi'raj?

3.When the Prophet (PBUH) came out of Masjid-e-Aqsa.
How could the Prophet (PBUH) come out of something that did not exist?

4.The Masjid-e-Aqsa and outer courtyard (built on Solomon's Temple Mount Site) is fairly small, with a very crowded city all around. It can barely accommodate 5,000 Namaazis (probably a lot less) and even then using all open space inside and out.
How could 124,000 minus one of Allah's Prophets offer Namaz here?

5."Burraq" (a white horse like animal who ran so swift he could reach Jerusalem from Makkah within the twinkling of an eye). No human being can stand the "G" Forces (Gravitational) involved to travel at this speed on the back of a running horse like animal.
How did the Prophet (PBUH) hang on and why wasn't he crushed by the "G" Forces?

6.Gabriel took the Prophet (PBUH) to the 1st Heaven where He saw a man, who when he looked on his right, was very happy, ecstatic, but when he looked on his left he cried and wept.
How is there Crying and Weeping in Heaven?

7.Adam was very happy to see the souls of his offspring (all who were born and died up to that point in time) on his right side, as they were pious and chaste but on his left side the souls were evil and sinful.
How are evil and sinful Souls in Heaven on Adam's left side?

8. Adam was very happy to see the souls of his offspring (all who were born and died up to that point in time) on his right side.If all his good children are on his right side on the 1st Heaven then how is Abraham, Moses, Idris and Jesus on the 6th Heaven and not with Adam?

9.On reaching Sidrat-ul-Muntaha, (which is a stopover in the name of a tree in paradise) he parted company with Gabriel (as Gabriel's Wings would have burned had he gotten any closer to Allah's Glory).
How was a man, made of flesh and blood, able to sit 2 bow lengths distance or closer to God,  if a Holy Angel (Gabriel) was unable to come that close without burning his wings.  Since wings that can burn are material just as flesh and blood that can burn, why didn't the flesh burn ?

10.And how are material (burnable) wings attached to an immaterial body, which is made from intense heat i.e. light? Or "Noor". For example try to attach wings of feathers to the sun or a star and see what happens. The Holy Quran clearly states that the angels are made (completely) of Noor.
Why were the wings not made of Noor ? And if they were made of "Noor" how can they burn?

11.The Prophet (PBUH) came away from this meeting with a gift for mankind, 50 Namaaz a day. If a human sleeps 8 hours, that leaves 16 waking hours. 50 Namaaaz Divided by 16 waking hours means 3.125 Namaaz per hour.  If 5 minutes are spent in "Wuzu" and 10 minutes in Namaaz, that leaves 5 minutes free after every Namaaz to use the bathroom, shower, shave, cook food, eat food, go to work, come back from work, tend to daily chores, and or do anything else. If you pray any longer than 2 or 3 rakas you will be praying Namaaz all day.
Didn't Allah know this was an impractical and impossible assignment?

12. Why is this impossible task called "A Gift"?

13. After many trips back and forth under the wise guidance and instruction of Moses a reduction was obtained to 5 Namaaz a day Why is the Prophet (PBUH) Moses smarter than both the Prophet (PBUH) Muhammad and Allah?

COMMENTS:
      Many people including some scholars are of the opinion  that this miraculous journey is merely mentioned in the Hadith and the Holy Qur'an makes no mention of this and therefore it is not a reliable event. People holding this view are probably well intentioned, since they wish to try to protect the Holy Qur'an from a glaring error. In this same zeal some other people even go to the extent of claiming that this whole event of Mi'raj is a fable, concocted by well meaning later Islamic writers.
Whatever the case may be, here are the facts for the reader to investigate and make a decision using the brain that God has provided each one of us.

peace.
KIND WORDS AND THE COVERING OF FAULTS ARE BETTER THAN CHARITY FOLLOWED BY INJURY.[2:263]
DO YE ENJOIN RIGHT CONDUCT ON THE PEOPLE, and FORGET (TO PRACTICE IT) YOURSELVES, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?.2:44.

Lobster

QuoteWhatever the case may be, here are the facts for the reader to investigate and make a decision using the brain that God has provided each one of us.

exactly!
`What lies before us and what lies behind us is nothing compared to what lies within us.` - Emerson

'Phoenix! You are in Hot water, maybe you should change your name to Lobster.' - Khalil

mr. humble

 :peace: :handshake:,

it is clear that through the chain of transmission, the hadiths were made up and "fantacised"... it is clear to the reader that they were made up in the age of "conjecture/blindness"... no matter how crafty and guile the hadith makers might be supporting their made up laws to decieve the followers of "islam", they are no match for the laws of reality/ what we discovered through reason and science as mankind "evolved" through "trial and error" to clarify reason from blind faith.

peace, rifat