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Hadith Discussions / Re: Science of Hadith
« on: February 23, 2012, 08:11:19 AM »
frankly your words make some sense to me, dude. but you see if ahadith are just lies and deception as you quraniy say then how is it that billions of billions muslims for past 1400 years didnt realized it?
That's just like asking how it's possible that billions of catholics have been deceived over the last 2000 years without realizing it.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Lord of the Worlds
« on: February 06, 2012, 05:01:20 AM »
Doesn't the God inform us that there are seven heavens, and that the heaven belonging to the earth is adorned with lamps?(41:12)
I've taken this to mean that the universe we can observe is one of seven, with it's amazing display of countless suns - what is a sun/star if not a truly enormous lamp at a distance?

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Peace!

Perhaps a step in the right direction would be for the electronics market to emulate the coffee market and institute some kind of credible  "fair trade" branding. That way consumers can support decent conditions and wages for the factory workers if they care enough and don't mind paying a little more for their gadgets.

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: One man's story of fitna.
« on: November 16, 2011, 04:57:11 AM »
Peace!

Student of Allah:

As for big bang etc. I agree with you. I think on a more general level, I'd rather not make interpretations of God's words. In my current view, the strictest, narrowest literal understanding of the Book feels the safest - provided it makes sense in view of the rest of the Book, of course. This may just be me overreacting to my previous judgment errors by being overly cautious, God knows best.
As for the evaluation process, there's no reason one ought to begin doing this by repeating calculations according to a method provided by someone else. There's plenty of underlying assumptions to evaluate before even getting to that point.

youssef4342:

As for not getting caught up in "the Hell/heaven Concept" I really don't think humans have any choice in the matter. We are alive, we die, we become alive again to be judged to an eternity spent at either place. There's no way to opt out of the situation. I agree with you that it's good to do righteous work. Our final destination hinges on the lives we live, and the mercy of God.

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: One man's story of fitna.
« on: November 13, 2011, 06:48:48 AM »
Peace.

I attended the weekly meeting and stated that I am unable to uphold RK's messengership or ascribe any significance to numerical patterns, nor can I partake in gatherings devoted to such practices.

God forbids us to form sects. I think a sect is formed when a group of people mix falsehood with truth, thus upholding a false religious dogma that has nothing to do with Islam.

Although I know God says I cannot guide anyone, I have tried to do so. I have done so impatiently and even impolitely. I ask God's forgiveness for my shortcomings, and pray He will increase me in patience. God is the one who gives.

I believe I am being tested. Only God knows how well I score and whether I will pass or not.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Do only the poor need God?
« on: November 09, 2011, 08:48:05 AM »
I guess that it confirms what I am trying to say in that when people are problem free, they abandon God. How sad.
I suppose it can be seen as sad, but it's not unavoidable. God provides plenty of verses describing those who are steadfast. We seek to learn from them, or rather from the words of them God has provided in the Quran.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Do only the poor need God?
« on: November 09, 2011, 04:23:47 AM »
it seems that its only the poor or needy who want God in their lives.
39:8 And when man is afflicted with adversity, he implores his Lord,
    turning in repentance to Him. But then, when He grants him a
   blessing from Him, he forgets his previous imploring, and sets up
  equals with God, in order to mislead others from His path. Say:
 “Enjoy your rejection for a while; for you are of the dwellers of
  the Fire.”

peace!

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Submitters / Code 19 / One man's story of fitna.
« on: November 07, 2011, 06:30:10 AM »
I ask God's forgiveness for my straying off His path.
I seek refuge with Him from writing falsehood.

I found belief in God before I found belief in His Qur'an.
Before I started studying the Qur'an, I was ignorant of many things. I was very arrogant. Judgment day, paradise and hellfire were abstract concepts that I half-believed, half-denied.
I found belief in the Qur'an bit by bit. It has been and perhaps remains an ongoing process. Lately I have come to believe in hellfire in a more whole-hearted way. This has, God willing; clarified things for me.

I was exposed to the code 19 concept shortly after first coming to believe in the Qur'an as God's book, and rapidly dismissed it as baseless numerical exercises without any authority.

Some time later, I came to know a group of fellow monotheists and believers. Many of them upheld some belief or other in 19 as a number of vast importance regarding the structure of the Qur'an, as argued by Khalifa and others. Initially my reaction was sadness, since their claims didn't make sense to me. I was very lonely and starved for the company of believers, so I held my tongue, and spent a lot of time in their company. I found that my heart wanted to believe in the code. I made the mistake of giving in to this feeling.

In order to believe in the code, I had to suppress my reason, actively suspending my disbelief. I did so. At my most furthest straying, Satan presented me with a visual mirage of what I wanted God's Qur'an to be (may He forgive me). I saw a fuzzy and indistict shape of a glowing diamond, or chrystal, of interlocking numerical patterns, where every single letter, sura and verse number adds upp to a perfect weave, where every single letter matters, where every position of every letter is undeniably part of the code, a code that would reveal many secrets far beyond the actual words of the Qur'an.

This was disbelief. Though I would never have admitted to it at the time, I rejected God's Qur'an and substituted it with a book of my own wishes. It was an expression of ingratitude.

I remained in a more or less murky mental space for months. After I prayed for it sincerely, God helped me re-establish some function in the reasoning part of my mind.
Reason required me to re-asses the claims of Khalifa and others, and I can't as of yet find evidence for a mathematical signature worthy of the Creator Himself. I base this assertion on how God makes clear His expertise in other areas, such as religion, literature, cosmology, physics, chemistry, biology and mathematics. Compared to what  scientific inquiry has revealed about the the nature of the creation, and thus the Creator, the claims of a 19 based code in the Qur'an seems less convincing. Using 19 and its multiples as a selection criteria for arbitrary calculations applied to the Qur'an has thus far failed to reveal a convincing divine pattern in my opinion. Any honest evaluation of a pattern must include the background against which the pattern is discernible.

The God I worship doesn't require me to believe in a code. He requires me to take Him at His word.
With this in mind, I realized that God keeps reminding about hell in the Qur'an. I realized that it is good for me to be mindful of hell in order to maintain a balanced perspective on this worldly life and how I should live it. J-day is real. Paradise is real. Hell is real, for real.
I re-read surah 74. I see it in a new light, and it seems clear enough.
The fitna lies in their number. I can take this number and speculate wildly with it. Or I can take God's words literally, meaning there is a place of scorching fire guarded by angels who are the soldiers of God. My thinking is, if you are guarded by such beings, and their number is that great, there is no chance in hell that you are going to escape. If God condemns you to that place, you are in there for good, which means eternity. This is a tremendously powerful reminder, as in something to keep in mind. Remembering that God promises hell to those who displease him. Remembering what a terrible place this is. Such a reminder will help those mindful of it to stay on the straight path.
I find that even though thoughts of hell can be displeasing at first, that feeling vanishes as long as one remembers paradise, and God's mercy and forgiveness.
There is balance in all things, including how we remember the afterlife. Any balanced view must include being mindful of hell. God willing this insight will enable me to progress as a believer.

Naturally, this development has caused some social friction since I spoke up. We're doing alright, no hard feelings yet. May God give us patience and guide us to His truth. We submit to His authority alone, God willing. His will be done.

Peace and God bless.

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Hadith Discussions / Re: How did so much change by the time of Imam Malik?
« on: November 02, 2011, 04:34:43 AM »
Peace.

regard the following as purely speculative:

Kaliph Umar's active campaign against codifying the hadith could have something to do with it.
Imagine that hadith telling was an underground activity, something people wanted to indulge in but had to do so in secret. A clumsy analogy could be today's international illegal and clandestine markets. Since what they do is illegal, they do everything out of sight. The process is opaque, which is my point. If hadith-writing was against the law for a time, the content of the hadith told could have changed dramatically without the change being obvious - even more so if not only writing but also telling/transmitting hadith was actively discouraged.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: 9:97
« on: October 09, 2011, 04:53:14 AM »
Rarely do I use Muhammed Knut Bernström's translation. In my humble opinion it's just not that good.

I was gifted a large and expensive copy of it upon my "conversion". It's printed on nice paper, nicely bound, and features beautiful color illuminations on the first pages
The arabic script is pixelated to the point of being hard to discern. The swedish translation is full of [here i insert my personal opinion]-brackets, and I think the text reads rather poorly. The bottom part of the pages are full of largely hadith-derived explanations.

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