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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Rome - Surat Ar- Rum
« on: April 30, 2013, 07:35:55 PM »
Salam Ajay,
As Pazuzu pointed out, the Quran was recorded without dialectic marks, so both readings are correct from a linguistic point of view.
As for why the majority read it as "defeated, then won", that is how they heard it was read and then they heard the story of Persia and Rome to explain the verses.
Simply reading the entire sequence of verses will give you the correct answer:
30:2 The Romans have "won/lost?".
30:3 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their "victory/loss?", they will be "defeated/victorious?".
30:4 In a few more years. The decision before and after is for God, and on that day the believers will rejoice.
30:5 With the victory of God. God gives victory to whom He wishes; He is the Noble, the Merciful.
The Quran is giving us the location of the first battle "lowest part on earth" (Dead Sea).
The Quran tells us that the believers will rejoice after the second battle (which will take place in 3-5 years).
The Quran tells us that this rejoicing of the believers is due to the "victory from God".
If we take the traditional Persians vs. Romans argument, both these people are pagans in the eyes of the Quran and both did declare war on Muslims. That believers rejoice for the victory of one pagan nation over another makes no sense whatsover. Moreso, that God would call this a victory from him is bizzare as God does not support any idol worshippers/blasphemers (which is what Christianity and the idolization of Jesus as the son of God is).
Now, if we go back to the verses and tie them in with what we know of Islamic history:
- Battle of Mutaa took place between the Muslims and the Romans near the area of the Dead Sea. Muslims were defeated and had to flee (many graves are marked in the area of Jordan for the fallen). Battle was lead by Zied - the Prophet's adopted son who was killed there.
- 3 years later, the Muslims lead an army against Rome and the battle of Yarmouk is fought in the area north of Jordan near the Golan Heights. 5 Roman legions are defeated and Rome loses control of all of the Levant area giving the way to the liberation of Jerusalem and the taking of Damascus.
Regards,
As Pazuzu pointed out, the Quran was recorded without dialectic marks, so both readings are correct from a linguistic point of view.
As for why the majority read it as "defeated, then won", that is how they heard it was read and then they heard the story of Persia and Rome to explain the verses.
Simply reading the entire sequence of verses will give you the correct answer:
30:2 The Romans have "won/lost?".
30:3 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their "victory/loss?", they will be "defeated/victorious?".
30:4 In a few more years. The decision before and after is for God, and on that day the believers will rejoice.
30:5 With the victory of God. God gives victory to whom He wishes; He is the Noble, the Merciful.
The Quran is giving us the location of the first battle "lowest part on earth" (Dead Sea).
The Quran tells us that the believers will rejoice after the second battle (which will take place in 3-5 years).
The Quran tells us that this rejoicing of the believers is due to the "victory from God".
If we take the traditional Persians vs. Romans argument, both these people are pagans in the eyes of the Quran and both did declare war on Muslims. That believers rejoice for the victory of one pagan nation over another makes no sense whatsover. Moreso, that God would call this a victory from him is bizzare as God does not support any idol worshippers/blasphemers (which is what Christianity and the idolization of Jesus as the son of God is).
Now, if we go back to the verses and tie them in with what we know of Islamic history:
- Battle of Mutaa took place between the Muslims and the Romans near the area of the Dead Sea. Muslims were defeated and had to flee (many graves are marked in the area of Jordan for the fallen). Battle was lead by Zied - the Prophet's adopted son who was killed there.
- 3 years later, the Muslims lead an army against Rome and the battle of Yarmouk is fought in the area north of Jordan near the Golan Heights. 5 Roman legions are defeated and Rome loses control of all of the Levant area giving the way to the liberation of Jerusalem and the taking of Damascus.
Regards,
