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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Qurbani,---that is 'No' slaughter of animals is mentioned.

« on: April 27, 2011, 01:23:17 AM »

Salaam aleykum. Are you talking about biqur'bānin in 3:183 and qur'bānan in 5:27 ?

There is a new thread on the forum - concerning dhakkaytum and dhabiha
http://www.quranists.net/forum/index.php?topic=86.msg430#msg430

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Quranists.net launch

« on: April 17, 2011, 03:33:39 PM »

Peace Edip
Thanks for your reply. Re the "official / unofficial" wording. Well spotted! Eek. I suppose using the word "official" in my announcement of the launch ("The official website of the Quranists Network is now up") could be seen to be presumptuous on my part, indulgent or possibly wishful thinking!  The intention is that in time, the Quranists Network will become recognised and popular enough that it will be easy for people to find out what Quranism is all about, and it is also a place where people can contribute articles and blog posts. There is a new Quranist Blog Directory over at http://QuranistVoices.wordpress.com which is where ppl can register with WordPress and submit content directly - the idea being that the diverse nature of Quranists and their beliefs and views will be collected in a central place. We are also planning to put news / updates about the Quranists Magazine, Conferences and meet-ups / events, inshaaAllah.  I guess I wrote "official" because it was "officially" ready to launch after being in stages of development for a while. In no way did I mean to imply any other Quranist sites were "unofficial" or less recognised or less important. Hope I didn't cause any offence. I probably meant that it I consider it now "officially" launched?! Maybe I'll stay away from using that word now - sounds a bit too authoritarian come to think of it - ironic really considering the nature of the site. Hope that clears things up, and I do hope you will visit the site, inshaaAllah, despite my little faux-pas there. If you have any blogs or articles you would like to submit, please feel very welcomed.
Peace
Asfora

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Study on Quranist, Quran alone, Quranites ect.

« on: April 15, 2011, 08:30:00 AM »

Salaam Aleykum

Male/ Female: Female
 
Age: 31

Nationality: British

Parents background ( if different from nationality) : same

Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family): no

Level of education: still learning! Got some A'levels though

Are you from a city or from the country?: Not a big city, more of a village / town, but not far away from a big city.

How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Submission.org and free-minds

And at what age?: 26

Do you personally know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Alone in real life, online not so much due to Facebook

Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? authority

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Quranism sect? Are we "Quranists"?

« on: April 15, 2011, 08:18:35 AM »

There is an abundant source of articles about Quranism and Quranists on  Quranists Network

And here is a brand new blog post about submitters and quranists

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General Issues / Questions / Quranists.net launch

« on: April 14, 2011, 02:31:20 AM »

Salaamun alaikum folks,

The official website of the Quranists Network is now up

Hope you like it. Please feel free to contribute any writings at all whether musings, blogs, essays or whatever. The name of the game is DIVERSITY.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Hijab: private, apparent & 7 conditions

« on: February 11, 2011, 07:06:56 AM »

Also, slightly off topic, but will mention it here seeing as I mentioned Jayb as pocket. Pocket here in Germany is "Tasche" and Handbag is "Handtasche" and Bag is "Tasche".  Towel is "Tuch". Handtowel is "Handtuch". Bath Towel is "Badtuch". Pocket tissues are Taschentucher. So if I said the Tuch is in the Tasche, would you know if I was talking about a "towel in a bag" OR a "tissue in a pocket"? Let's call this the Tissue Issue!

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Hijab: private, apparent & 7 conditions

« on: February 09, 2011, 06:45:56 PM »

Salam all

I asked my Arabic speaking husband to tell me the difference between these 2 roots from which we get Sadr and jaybika/juyubihinna

http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=Sdr
and
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=jyb

He was adamant jaybika is a pocket. I thought he was going to confirm Jaybika (for the man) meant chest and Juyubihinna (for the women) meant cleavage or bosom or breasts. BUT he said Jaybika was a pocket and juyubihinna means all the women's special private parts including the hair...

So it seems he is giving me modern day meanings of those words (maybe?), and wonder how it is possible to find out the original meanings of a word. Did Musa pbuh  put his hand into his pocket or his chest or his armpit ?
(Chapter 7 - 7:108;
Chapter 20 - 20:22;
Chapter 26 - 26:33;
Chapter 27 - 27:12;
Chapter 28 - 28:32;)

And how can I prove to my husband "juyubihinna" does not include hair when he believes it is a special word that means more than one body part? After all this is an Arabic word and he speaks, reads, understands Arabic and I showed him the word in the Qur'an to point out it says to cover the chest (not mentioning head or hair by name specifically and thinking "Juyubihinna" meant chest).

Not that I need his approval to NOT wear the scarf ! None of his friends' wives wear the scarf and he has said on a few occasions that if I am not comfortable wearing it, then don't. But then he says if you are going to wear it, at least wear it "properly"! Sigh. I just want to prove a point I guess. (Which is odd - he believes it is an instruction in the Qur'an to cover your hair (because of this "juyubihinna" and because he says Maryam wore a "hijab" in 19:17 -!!) BUT he is not trying to persuade me that I SHOULD wear it even though he does believe it is a Quranic instruction, whereas I do not see covering my hair as a Quranic instruction, yet I do...!) Weird!

I do wear a headscarf and I'm pretty comfortable wearing it, (even Summer has got easier!) and I have adopted it as part of who I am and what I wear and colour co-ordinate to go with my outfit (jeans and and my own modest style tunic dress that I have tailor made with "Bench" style thumbholes, how cool!!   ) etc. Whether it is a "Khimar" or a "Jilbab" I have no idea, although I do try to make a conscious effort not to refer to it as a "hijab" ("hijab - the headscarf"). I initially started wearing a headscarf when I converted to islam (Before meeting my husband!) because I was told it was a requirement of being a "modest muslimah". Now I make a conscious decision to wear a headscarf because quite honestly I feel underdressed/naked without it (now, after 5 years!). I even wear it in the house when I'm on my own sometimes, as I genuinely feel cold sometimes and like to wrap up! Also the designs/textures/colours of my scarves can be made into much more interesting and pleasing (to me) styles and shapes than my plain old boring hairstyle. I am probably one of those "hijab-fashionistas" that get hated on for "defeating the purpose of hijab" ("hijab - the concept").  I am not bothered if some hair or a bit of neck shows as I am not (til now) under the impression that head, neck or hair are requirements to be covered and even if they were, would probably count as "what is apparent" because it has become apparent if it has wiggled loose!... and it is quite annoying when people point out to me that a hair is showing - a bit like repeatedly being told you have spinach in your teeth when you don't have a mirror or a toothpick handy...
I guess the "symbol" part of it too plays a part, as I interpret 33:59 to mean being recognized. So I am sure people recognize me - as that crazy unforgettable headscarf woman!  Fine by me

But seriously, from the linguistics point of view I would like to clear up the sadr / jaybika issue, please if anyone has any useful / interesting info about how Jaybika can mean simply "pocket" for a man but for a women a whole endless list of intimate and non-intimate body parts.

Thanks wa salam

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / root: ra sin lam

« on: November 30, 2010, 07:24:36 AM »

Salaam Aleykum

I was looking at root ra sin lam http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=rsl and noticed there are 2 different words for "Messengers" (plural)

rusul and mur'sal

What is the difference?

thanks

peace

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Proof Qur'an-alone is Error

« on: November 24, 2010, 04:43:29 PM »

Salaam Aleykum, my reply is to Simone, as I have recently been "called out" too, for making a point of double checking every "hadith" that comes my way to see if it is backed up by the Qur'an.

A very good Brother asked me in a group discussion: "do you reject the ahadith?"

My reply was: "I don't reject any ahadith that is from Allah swt in the Glorious Qur'an, insh'Allah.
I agree that Hadith (the word) can mean statement, narration, story, news, conversation, talk, report. In all of the ways that "Hadith" (the word) in the Qur'an is used http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=Hdv if there is an instruction in the Qur'an to follow ahadith outside of the Qur'an then I will submit to the will of Allah swt and obediently do it, insh'Allah. I have found no such instruction, as yet. I will keep looking, insh'Allah"

We to'd and fro'd with "Obey God and Obey the Messenger" and "what the Prophet gives you, take it, and what he forbids, leave it" and he ended up saying : "Sister, don't reject the teachings of the Prophet (saws). The Prophet (saws), his character, his actions, his sayings, all of that is part of our deen."

My reply was this:

"It is my belief that the Sublime Qur'an makes it clear what should and should not be rejected / turned away from / denied.

rejecting the Ayati (verses / signs)
...6:21
6:157
7:37
10:17
15:80
17:59
20:48
6:66
40:81
6:4
15:81
36:46
12:105
21:32
6:157
6:46

rejecting the Haq (truth)
29:68
6:66
39:32
21:24

rejecting the Messengers
26:176
50:14
34:45

turning away from Dhikri (The Reminder)
53:29
26:5
74:49
21:1 - 21:2
21:24
21:42
23:71
88:21

turning away from / rejecting l-kitab (The Book)
35:25
13:36
3:23

Other things mentioned as being turned away from / rejected / denied:
92:9 bilhusna - goodness
25:11 bil saati - the Hour
16:83 nimatallah - The Favor of Allah swt
9:76 fadlihi - His Bounty
23:3 l-laghawi - vain talk
38:68 naba on azimun - great news
4:80 Obedience to Allah swt and Obedience to the Messenger
80:2 a blind man

search terms

reject
deny
turn away
averse
disbelieve
disbelief

search results:

root:

kaf fa ra : http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=kfr

kaf dhal ba : http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=k*b

ayn ra dad : http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=ErD

nun kaf ra : http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=nkr

waw lam ya : http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=wly

sad dal fa : http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=Sdf

Peace be upon you all. I do not post all this to be argumentative. I am sharing with you this morning's Qur'an Study and Search results to share the Truth in the Qur'an with you all, and showing where I found it, in case anyone would like to check this information to verify it for themselves. My intention is good, insh'Allah. Please do not be offended. May Allah swt increase us in knowledge and understanding and forgive our mistakes and make us humble. And Allahu Alim"

That was my reply. Insha'Allah my post is useful.

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General Issues / Questions / Qur'an Addict

« on: November 24, 2010, 04:10:24 PM »

Salaam Aleykum

I have a new website / blog called Qur'an Addict http://quranaddict.blogspot.com/p/about-this-site.html. Please come and have a look, if you have time.

Thank you
Peace to you all