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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: Rashad Khalifa Poll

« on: October 21, 2008, 02:56:25 AM »

Peace Anthony,

Rashad had the power of the universe in his hand, but he abused his power. He got greedy and wanted God to give him more. The number 19 was made so he can take a math test according to Quran ( it just doesnt mention his name). But he failed the test when he removed 9:128-129 and claimed them to be only human words in order to pass the number 19 test. Thus he disregarded Gods words, and he was stubborn towards them. He will be cast into Hell.

The number 19 is not a "miracle" it is a "math test" for the rejecters. God is fully aware when He made 7+3+4+0=19 On it nunteen. And He was fully aware of the count of all things. And He knew that those who have rejected would take the math test. And He knew that Rashids findings, that of coars, these findings noone can say is a coincedence.

You keep judging, and therefore, you will be judged. By the way, that whole "7+3+4+0=19" thing is a little off...  It looks like YOU failed the math test, not Rashad...

Plus, you're contradicting yourself again. You said that no one can call Rashad's findings coincidental, even though you just said that they're not correct, and 74:30 is talking about the angels only. So, if the count of 19 is not talking about the book ("the reminder"), then how can Rashad's findings be any more than mere coincidence? You're saying his concept was WRONG and RIGHT at the same time?

Peace,

Ahmad

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: Rashad Khalifah was the one in 3:81

« on: October 21, 2008, 01:38:21 AM »

Peace Mr. Deen,

Angels, do the will of God. Always.
Jinn have free will, and are made of fire.

That is your view... Now, here is the Quran's view on the matter, at least to my understanding.

When We said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan; he refused, was too arrogant, and a disbeliever. (2:34)

In this passage, it clearly labels Iblis (Satan) alongside the angels, making him one of them.

And when your lord said to the angels, "I am going to create a man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him the soul which I created for him, then fall down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together, except Iblis (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators. (15:28-31)

Here again, Satan is labeled alongside the angels, making him one of them. This is implied by the scripture saying, "so the ANGELS prostrated themselves, all of them together, EXCEPT IBLIS." Since Iblis was an EXCEPTION of the angels who decided to disobey God's command, he was clearly an angel.

By the statement that Satan was one of the jinn, linked to the concept that he disobeyed God's command, shows that the jinn are spirits who chose to willfully disobey God's commands. Nowhere in the scripture does it say that the angels are robots, and they obey all of God's commands without free will. In the Quran, when God allows EVERYONE the opportunity to worship Him willfully, not forcibly, this also applies to the angels. They do the will of their lord because THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO, they are not forced. God knows best.

Peace,

Ahmad

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: The Real Messenger of the Covenant

« on: October 21, 2008, 01:23:11 AM »

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597255.msg181265#msg181265

Why do you keep posting all these links to your incompetent opinions regarding the code 19, dude? This topic itself is about the "messenger of the covenant", and you claimed this to be referring to YOU, even though you can't provide any proofs to back up your claims, and you're not even guided in the scripture. You can't even read the Arabic Quran without a translator handy, preferably the Free-Minds English translation. You reject Rashad, but can't you see that you are far lower than Rashad? If Rashad was a false messenger, then you CAN'T POSSIBLY be a real one. He brought real proofs to support his messengership, but you have brought absolutely nothing but false reasonings, quotes of unrelated passages in the Quran, your own thoughts and opinions placed into the message, and ridiculously incorrect mathematical formulas (your version of "7+4+3+0=19")...  If you claim that Rashad was a false prophet, then what makes you better than he was?

Peace,

Ahmad

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: Rashad Khalifah was the one in 3:81

« on: October 20, 2008, 03:56:28 PM »

Peace Afridi220,

Very Nice,  you cleverly hide what Rashad said about the two verses when Allah said no false hood can enter it.
Rejecting two verses is rejecting the whole Quran who will believe in such Quran which is already tempered, and who will believe in such god who cannot keep his promise and protect his book.

Don't be misguided. Rashad Khalifa never rejected any of the scriptures in the Quran, NOT ONE. You're being very naive to think that the guardianship of the Quran means no falsehood can possibly be added to it or absolutely nothing can be removed from it. By saying this, you're calling God a liar. People have been adding to and taking away from the scriptures for CENTURIES. Every translation of the message says something different than the last, and that is clearly changing the meanings of the passages in certain chapters. You're saying God couldn't protect these? In many of the Arabic translations of the Quran, you will find written in them:

La ilaha ila allah muhammad ar-rasulu allah (There is no god but the god, and Mohammed is His messenger).

We know this today as the Sunni testimony ("al-shahada"). Are you saying that this was actually placed in the book by God Himself, since He said no falsehood can enter it? Why do so many translations of the scriptures contain misleading footnotes and parentheses throughout them, promoting the Sunni and Salafi schools of thought? Are you saying that God couldn't protect these? Don't be naive. It's clear that God was speaking of protecting His message through a divine means of verification. He Himself said that people would falsify sayings and recite "fancy words" and attribute them to the prophet, even though they are false. Many see this as speaking about the hadiths and sunna, but didn't Mohammed also recite the Quran? You don't think people are capable of doing this to the scripture because "no falsehood can enter it"?

To believe in your concept is to believe in the blasphemous shahada of the Sunnis, in the footnotes of the translators, in the personal opinions of the so-called scholars, and everything else.

Peace Mr Deen,

And how can Rashad Kalifa be a messenger, if he has no knowledge of jinn? Last time I checked, they still claimed Iblis to be a "fallen angel". Surely a messenger of any kind, knows this, and wouldn't let this distortion be introduced into Islam.

What do you believe regarding "Iblis"?

Peace,

Ahmad

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: Rashad Khalifah was the one in 3:81

« on: October 20, 2008, 01:38:59 AM »

Peace Bahman,

Well said and I know what you feel when you are into serious discussion then these  fake massagers  including 19er ones get to their own hallucinations and their presence here can no guide and give any information unless jamming the forum with their nonsense claims.
Fortunately, this forum is equipped with ignore button which iss best solution let these people talk to each other.
But bad thing is people like Ayman a well known knowledgeable member using these fake messengers nonsense for their reasons which  not only cause their opinion lose its power but could be an encouragement for these lost minds people.
Just use Ignore button. Your time is precious.

You're right, brother. When God misguides someone, no one can guide them except God Himself, and nobody can stop God's will or judgement. This false messenger isn't producing any proof for his claims, and he isn't proving anything by his "I hate Rashad Khalifa" propaganda either. So, I'll just ignore him like you said. Thanks, and God bless.

Peace,

Ahmad

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Is "Allah" a Name or It is Merely Arabic for "The God"?

« on: October 20, 2008, 01:30:57 AM »

Peace Ayman,

The word "rahman" is not found in ancient Northern Arabian dialects. It is only found in Southern Arabian dialects. It is found in several Sabaic inscriptions where the context shows that it means "almighty", for example the famous inscription of Abraha. It is also used in the great reading to mean "almighty", for example in 19:45 we hear prophet Ibrahim say to his father, a rejecting idol-worshipper, "I fear you would be struck with the wrath of al-rahman." The word in 19:45 is more likely to invoke fear of retribution as opposed to hope of benefit or grace. Also, the idea of "mercy, grace and compassion" is already communicated by the word "rahim". So in this case "rahman" would be redundant. On the other hand, the great reading is all about contrasts of warning of retribution and good news of reward.

I see how the words "rahman" and "rahim" can contrast eachother, and it could apply the idea of the "almighty", the "avenger", the "powerful", or the "creator" (which could possibly be more suitable, since RAHM refers to a womb). So, how do we know that "al-rahman al-rahim" isn't referring to "the creator the sustainer", or something of that sort? Both of the words imply more than just grace, mercy, and compassion - they also imply creation and nurturing and sustainment, as is the case with a "womb". I guess it depends on how you translate the word. I'll do some research on the issue of the Sabaic inscriptions you were speaking of. I've never known "rahman" to refer to "almighty" at all, but I'll check on it. Thanks for the insight.

Peace,

Ahmad

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: Was Rashad Khalifah God's messenger?

« on: October 20, 2008, 01:16:28 AM »

Peace Anthony,

19 is the mark of Rashid Kalifa. God gave him plenty, but he got greedy. Even if he was Gods messenger, he abused his authority. And whenever Gods messenger wants to abuse his authority, he may. And that is what caused him to fail his math test. The angels number was made to test him. He had the power of the uneverse at hand, but he abused his power regardless consequences. He was a false god.

Just stop it, dude, you sound like a fool. How did Rashad get "greedy"? What "math test" did he fail? You're claiming to be a messenger of God, but what proofs to you bring? NONE. What makes you fit to judge Dr. Khalifa? Judgement os reserved only for God Himself, not you. You calling him a "false god" only shows your ignorance.

If he was a god ( or messenger) as he claim, then he woulndt have entered the humiliating retribution. 

Once again, you are speaking blasphemies! Do you know that the ultimate retribution is the saqar? Have you seen Rashad Khalifa in the Hell, or are you speaking about God what you don't know?

God's servants don't face death because God Himself has the power to save them. So, Rashad Khalifa isn't dead at all, but you just can't perceive. You are the one who will face the humiliating retribution if you continue with your blasphemies and judgements.

He wanted to coed the Quran with his karmic number 19. He abused 74:30 and claim that on the Quran is 19 when that is not the correct meaning ( and the Quran and Hell are not the same. The Quran has mercy, Hell does not have mercy nor does it go away from shrinking the human due to the Fire). This verse was made to test him because it is a verse that can mean anything and if you add 7+4+3+0 you also get 19.

You don't know what you're talking about, seriously, and it's really getting pathetic. Stop speaking on things in which you have no knowledge. "On it is nineteen."

And by the way, do you, as a self-proclaimed "numerologist", actually believe that "7+4+3+0=19"?  Maybe you need to keep studying, man. You obviously can't do BASIC MATHEMATICS, not if you think your concept is correct. This is not the right answer AT ALL, and it looks like you failed your "math test", not Rashad. Please stop the nonsense. You're speaking on things in which you have no knowledge, and surely, God guided those of His choosing...

Peace,

Ahmad

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Is "Allah" a Name or It is Merely Arabic for "The God"?

« on: October 19, 2008, 03:13:55 PM »

Peace Ayman,

I would translate 17:110 as follows (without Caps):

17:110. Say:" Call upon the god or call upon the almighty, whatever you call, to him belong the best names." And neither shout with your learning connection nor whisper with it, but seek a middle course in between.

I completely agree with your interpretation of "allah"/the god. However, I don't think it's necessarily incorrect to label the title as the English "God" (capital G) because it relays the same concept, that it is speaking of one specific god. So, I see the statements "there is no god but the god" and "there is no god but God" to mean the same thing, "the god" referring to "God". Either way, the word "allah" would not be applied as a proper noun... I was wondering, though: Why do you translate "al-rahman" to mean "the almighty"?

R-H-M in the Arabic language doesn't imply power, it refers to mercy, grace, and compassion, usually in the sense of forgiveness. It's actually a derivative of the Semitic usage of "R-H-M", which means "womb", kinship, relationship, and mercy. So, why do you translate it as "almighty" instead of "gracious" or "merciful"? It could possibly imply the concept of creation (from the womb) and nurturing, defining "al-rahman" as a form of "the creator", but I don't see how "the almighty" fits there at all. Can you please explain?

Peace,

Ahmad

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: Rashad Khalifah was the one in 3:81

« on: October 19, 2008, 02:25:30 PM »

Peace Anthony,

No, im just tryin to tell you to wake up and face reality.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597255.msg181049#msg181049

What was the point of you posting that link? What does it show besides your ignorance? The Quran has absolutely nothing to do with numerology, and if you think it does, then you are surely mistaken. You obviously don't know what numerology is. Do some research, and then get back on here. Right now, you are only posting needless and ridiculously stupid topics about your PERSONAL OPINIONS regarding the code 19. And personally, I couldn't care less what your personal opinion is regarding the scripture. All of your posting is in vain. Maybe you should wake up and face reality; right now, you're in denial, and you're living in your own fantasy world where you're a messenger of God. If you keep up your false messengership and your changing words in the Quran to fit your own misguided beliefs, in the next life, you will be of the losers... You're telling me to "wake up and face reality" by claiming that you've seen my future, and saying that God has revealed to you that I will be among the "dwellers of the fire"? What are you, a fortune teller? Stop the madness, man, seriously. You are a complete FRAUD, and anyone on here who has knowledge of the scriptures, or even common sense, can see how fraudulent you are. This is ridiculous. Just stop, please...

If you were a real numerologist, you wouldn't have made the hopelessly incorrect base of the numerological definition of the numbers "1", "9", and "19". You are certainly mistaken. And if you were knowledgeable of the message at all, you wouldn't have connected 74:30 to 9:128 and 129. The scripture regarding the count of 19 doesn't say anything about the two passages you spoke of, which are allegedly manmade. These are talking about completely different things. Do some research first if you're going to post something on here regarding fact and fiction, especially when it concerns the Quran. Right now, you only sound misguided, placing your personal opinion beside the word of God, even though the two conflict. Are you more correct than the book itself?

Peace,

Ahmad

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Free-Minds.Org / ProgressiveMuslims.Org / Re: Qu'ran alone conference

« on: October 19, 2008, 02:09:29 PM »

Peace Barmack,

if he thought secret then he is wrong. because you guys openly declared and arnt secretly doing it... maybe you were not intentionaly mocking him but it sure looks like it from my angle if you were not then say what you were doing so it can be made clear to me.

I wasn't personally mocking him, I was just wondering what "secret" he was talking about. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with secrecy. And with a response from him like this one, you should see the arrogance in him:

I ment what I qoated. However one sees it.

You should recognize this pretty clearly. As you can probably see, just as everyone else can, the word "secret" has absolutely nothing to do with this subject AT ALL. So, by him saying that he's sticking with his words, even though they were blatantly incorrect and mistaken, instead of taking the humble and intelligent stance by correcting himself, he only shows his ignorance and arrogance. This is not mocking him, it's only stating the obvious truth...

Peace,

Ahmad