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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Where is the Golden Rule in the Quran?

« on: Yesterday at 11:50:24 PM »

Yes, and on top of that what it is saying plainly is that were not for the hadith they would drop Islam and take to christianity which has little very pretty golden rules like giving the other cheek and that kind of soft stuff which superchristians are always parading while doing the opposite, that is, slapping someone else cheeks.

I am not so sure as to where this Israfeel is coming from. It is too much of a muchness.

Salaam

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Circumcision: The Way of Prophet Abraham

« on: Yesterday at 11:46:46 PM »

I am sure that some of the preposterous hadiths were intended as jokes. They are jokes and if you take them as jokes they make sense.

How somebody got to think of them as anything but jokes may be something on which to diagnose a mental disposition devoid of imagination and common sense. Like what, serving 100 women in a night. ˇFor God sake, that is the kind of jolly joke some bunch of men or women would say in a round of jokes and laughing. ˇHow on earth could anybody be su nuts as to read such a thing seriously. Can't remember whether it was 100 or what, but something along wild exageration not for a prophet but even for a squid.

Salaam

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General Issues / Questions / Re: What is God's role with Born Disabled?

« on: Yesterday at 06:33:37 AM »

Salam,

Seems like you have completely got me wrong. I did not start this post to confess my grief nor because I was suffering. I started this thread to clear my doubt in the issue by getting different views from different intelligent minds. I was just not able to understand why God will discriminate this way while we believe him to be just. I can see that changing after getting some wonderful responses from you and other members. My intention was to understand what can be the purpose behind it.  Sorry if my english was too bad to understand the concise meaning lol.

Thank you for your concern though.

Well I am glad you are totally in shape notwithstanding your queeries  about impairments.  You are welcome and I don't think anything is wrong with your English, not more wrong than with mine, at any rate. But sometimes, just the written word may mislead about the attitude of the writer. It is not as if you saw the face and expression.

I am glad that the posters have been able to bring some peace of mind on this subject.

Salaam

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: 4:129 you cannot be fair to women, or among wives?

« on: Yesterday at 04:58:15 AM »

The aya is amongst other ayas that deal with divorce and what it entails. It is not about simultanoeus wives, but about women who may have been your wives, who may be still your wife or who may become your wife. You have no right to diposses, for instance a previous wife for the sake of the new comer,etc. It says nothing about simultaneous wives, and so mucho so that it does not even say nisa'ikum it says "bainan-nisaa'", the women. And it indicates that it may be imossible for you to be comletely fair, but not be too obvious, and just let one of the rot. Like, it could be, the previous wife, with whom you may be fed up, but still, do not do her wrong.

You do not need to have several wives to be fair to the women and we are tired of seeing men beeing unfair to the women without ever having several wives at the same time. But which aya would escae being used by the male territorial obsession to mark their superior prerrogatives.

Too bad even if there are and there have always been real men, real chilvarous men, but somehow the obssessed seem to have put their mark on the ideas and the minds and messed up even the most obvious clearly said things.

Salaam

Salaam 

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Hadith Discussions / Re: For those people ,who like Hadith and stuff.........

« on: June 16, 2013, 06:58:42 AM »

The point of the hadith being used as authority to derive rules is that in fact anybody can misuse them to impose anything he or she fancies. As simple as that.

The question is not whether the hadith are authentic or have sanad or do not have wahtever. The point is that if there are thousands and thousands and are taken to be foundation for rules of law, it sets people at the mercy of hadith magicians who know the magic rules for them in order to issue thaousands upon thousands of uncalled for nor needed rules.

So to admit anything other than God's law is suicide and the law of the jungle.

So if theree are hadith that say sensible things, so profit from them but do not make laws out of them. For that only the Qur'an is authority. And those hadith that do not have anything useful to tell just forget. Why bother with potentially thousands upon thousands of potential rules that only complecate what the Qur'an has made simple?

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Where is the Golden Rule in the Quran?

« on: June 16, 2013, 06:44:16 AM »

The Golden rule or the Golden calf, too much gold for my taste.

As MoF says, sounds hokuspokusly.

Salaam

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General Issues / Questions / Re: What is God's role with Born Disabled?

« on: June 16, 2013, 06:40:51 AM »

Salam Huruf,

Sorry But I didn't get what you meant by above line?

Well, my impression is that you are suffering and are anguished by that unhappy fate of people with impairments and that that is the reason you are writing in this thread. And because of that I felt concerned about you, that is all, because I know of cases where people have suffered severe depression when dealing with disgraces for which they feel intensely and in front of which they feel powerless.

Salaam

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Off-Topic / Re: The real face of Israel - What you need to know

« on: June 16, 2013, 06:34:57 AM »

My take is that had not Syria had Russian suport, it would have already been blown out into a new Iraq, Libya or Somalia nor would it have lasted what it is lasting. NATO would have come in full force and let loose the islamist hooligans. With Russia behind them the NATO Empire has to think twice about its steps to destroy (more) the middle east.

In Egypt it has already achieved something. Egypt now has concerted a loan with the IMF, which is ALWAYS DEADLY NEWS.

So, yes, care must be exercised so that what is got in exchange for a revolution is not much worse than what one had previously. Nobody makes gifts to peoples for nothing, and certainly not the Imperials who carry on with their unfailing tactic of divide and conquer and "if you do not have the enemy you want, then create yourself the enemy you need".

Obviously The Imperials did not like the Arab nationalism as an enemy because it was more progressive and looked to the future and secularism, so they pushed, promoted, paid, supported and fermented covertly or overtly the most retorgrade islamism and boycotted all secular movements, while openly and "tolerantly" supporting a kind of islam as much washed down as possible, ameanable to fraternize with zionism. And that is where we are now.

it is not my business to applaud or criticise this regime or other. Each people must do that, but I do know something: BEWARE OF THE IMPERIAL REDEMPTION, IT IS GUARANTEED HELL, yes, HELL. Even with supposed friends the imperials show their goals. Greece might have something to tell. Even without being liberated it is being plunged in disaster. In Spain we are going the same way.

Salaam

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General Issues / Questions / Re: What is God's role with Born Disabled?

« on: June 16, 2013, 06:04:52 AM »

Salaam Huruf,

I would have liked to be involve in conversation with you to clear more of my doubts but I feel your replies are too harsh. For me and also your respond to Tigress. Honestly, you are asking me to stay away from these conditions not to get depressed but to read your replies are already depressing lol. Apologies but I am not that strong yet I guess. Respond with a little bit of politeness would have been cherry in the cake but now it seems to be Chilly on the cake.

Another thing I would like to make clear is, I am not trying to blame or question God by this post. I am a god fearing person and have come to this path after surviving through diverse religious background. I was just trying to get view of different peoples on this site who most of them I think have done a lot of research and posses far more knowledge than me. If bringing that topic has somehow make you feel offended, I am really sorry about it.

May God keep us in the right path always.

Peace

No, I am not offended at all. I was trying to find out why you seem to suffer so much. I mean, it is enough that people suffer their ills and that they try to alleviate as much as they can of other prople's ills, but to feel the own ills and load upon oneself the ills of the others may be more than one can handle.

I regret you find harsh what I say, I guess it sounds so at the other end. I do not have any harsh feelings nor blame you or anything. Quite the opposite, I just felt about you the same you feel for those who are impaired, the inability to unload you of your anguish.

Salaam

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General Issues / Questions / Re: What is God's role with Born Disabled?

« on: June 16, 2013, 03:33:45 AM »

Love is blind. I know people who are married to defective people. So what? And what makes you think that "normal" people are not unhappy unadapted and nobody will listen to them because to people like you they have to be happy as if by law. lame people unhappy, normal people happy. In which world do you live? On the other hand, you do not seem to be readin what we write. For each person his or her trials. It is not a right to be happy it is a challenge. And the degree of the challenge will be matched by the degree of happinnes attained. But it is ridiculous to think that anybody at all without challenges "will be happy". So you are condemning all "defective" people to unhappinness? And condemning all normal people to happinnes without a right to fail and by unhappy. There are many ways in this world to unhappiness defectivness is just one. People commit suicide and they may be what you call happy.

You have come in contact with something that has shocked you, but calm down. The person who causes that shock is she as shocked as you are? My experience is the the people who suffer something do get the character to endure that something. Some more some less. As I say, suicide is something that is commited by all people, is not the privilege of lame people, so that shwos something, or not?

It is not abnormal people who are your trouble, it is you who are not able to cope with it, and I guess you are right, you are asking in this forum so that in this exchange you get help to cope with it.

I feel compassion for you, because I can see you are really suffering, but calm down, you will get used to it if you continue seeing that person. Also, take care of yourself. Getting sick  because somebody is sick is of no use neither to the first sick nor to the second. I know of somebody who doing solidarity work got a deep depression. And that is a real illness, a terrible illness. Take care of yourself, I am serious. If you cannot put up with it, step aside, otherwise you will cause yourself to be sick. You will have to strengthen yourself and seek professional help so that if you are going to be around defective people, you do not get psychologically destroyed in the process. You really worry me. Please, do not get sucked in destructive feelings and thoughts. Seek help or step aside till when you are mature a formed person capable of handling that kind of thing.

I do not know how old are you. My guess is young and I guess also idealistic. That is very good, both things are good. But administer yourself, do not get broke at the beginning of the race.

I am worried about you and pray that you do not give in to destructive and so painful thoughts.