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General Issues / Questions / How to spot a TRUE PROPHET

« on: December 24, 2003, 07:44:57 AM »

Take a look at this thread I was the first one who responded to you. You haven't even addresses the points I've made, instead you've slithered your way around to avoid them.

What point was left hanging? Specify each one and if I havent answered them then i will.

Everyone knows I give a point by point answer. If something was missed it was not meant.

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Discuss Latest News/Events / Chirac urges ban on headscarf

« on: December 23, 2003, 01:48:12 PM »

And my opinion is that borders shouldn't exist and that Earth doesn't belong to anybody and that is very easy to speak as you have spoken while you probably don't know anything about their personal  circumstances that can go from specific whishes to forced causes for leaving their homeland.

your opinion was based on good intentions but they are unrealistic. Muslims are known for their divisiveness. For breaking nations in two. Like India, Russia and the Philippines.

With regards to Europe the huge majority of muslims there are IMMIGRANTS. They can always go back to their original islamic homeland.

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General Issues / Questions / Are Human Beings Perfect?

« on: December 23, 2003, 01:41:26 PM »

Making mistakes is a choice.

If its a choice then it wouldnt be called a mistake.

Examples:

* An honour student who studied so hard and yet made the wrong assumptions on a problem solving test.
* An acrobat who lost his balance and fell to his death
* A singer who suddenly forgot a part of a song
* zenje who falsely thought it was doctorno who placed words in his own mouth.

Why are storms perfect when they 'destroy'? :wink:

perfection is more about an entity's attributes than its effect or uses on other entities. A pistol can be perfect and flawless in quality and attributes but can be used to destroy.

 BTW, I do think that storms are perfect, but I also think disease is perfect, so is aging and frailty. Get what I'm saying?

If diseases are perfect then they wouldnt change according to the mutations of the germs that cause them. Perfection is resistant to change.

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General Issues / Questions / Are Human Beings Perfect?

« on: December 23, 2003, 12:01:08 PM »

What does 'perfect' mean? Who says 'illness' automatically cancels out 'perfection'. It depends on how we define 'perfection', doen't it? How do you define 'prefection'?

doesnt perfect mean flawless? without defect? millions of human beings were born with physical or mental defects or BOTH.

And by the way...
The Quran does NOT tell us to praise that dead man called Muhammad!

praise, bless, send greetings or whatever. you know what i mean. the guy was long dead. that line could have been used for better uses.

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General Issues / Questions / Are Human Beings Perfect?

« on: December 23, 2003, 11:35:07 AM »

DoctorNO is perfect in putting words in other people's mouths.  :lol:
 Anyway, who said "mistakes"? :?

PS - Did you see 'The Perfect Storm'?

you quoted my words "makes mistakes" and answered it with "in-built". Otherwise what did you mean by that?

All storms are perfect.

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Discuss Latest News/Events / Chirac urges ban on headscarf

« on: December 23, 2003, 11:32:35 AM »

Why do they ban things like skull cap, head scarf and big crosses?

To protect students from unnecessary distractions?

I hope they ban the head cover that nuns wear also, and the turban of sikhs.... and why not ban all kinds of clothes.

I think these are banned from schools too. Right?

Everyone can go nude... I guess it is already fashon with nude beaches..

Those are private proverty specific to nudists.

It's amazing how mean and evil the human race is.

aw have faith in humanity. you just did not understand.

I'm sorry to be negative, but I think hell will be quite a crowded place.

depends on your religion.

Let's ban Santa Clause's beard and headgear!!!

Did you know that in Denmark (i think) pig pictures were banned from public service offices because it offends muslims?

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General Issues / Questions / Are Human Beings Perfect?

« on: December 23, 2003, 11:11:27 AM »

Built in to make mistakes? In that case humans are PERFECT FOR making mistakes.

Like I said there is a difference in being perfect for something and being perfect in being.

Does the quran specify which kind of perfection it mentioned or do you again have to grope in the dark for what it meant?

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General Issues / Questions / Does Islam encourage World Domination?

« on: December 23, 2003, 10:51:50 AM »

The "doctrine" you mention is not supported by the Quran, and is a dogma of Arab imperialism.

You are against Arab imperialism not the Quran.

Depending on how you look at it the quran can be used to justify imperialism. My objective here is to clarify how.

And can we blame the centuries old sunnis & shias for such an interpretation? I dont think so since so much as early as mohammed's time islam had been on a conquest of domination. Something I would love to discuss at another time.

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General Issues / Questions / Does Islam encourage World Domination?

« on: December 23, 2003, 10:42:32 AM »

The quotes from the Quran are in my eyes just statements of fact and are unrelated to any concepts as you mention.

Yes you are mostly right. If there is a god then everything does belong to him. However this verse does suggest something different...

Do you not see that Allah has committed in your service everything on earth?
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That combined with the other mentioned verses does give the message of domination as understood by the muslim majority.

22:64-65 is mentioning God's Mercy in the way he has made nature, the animals and minerals all capable of being utilised by humans. We do not live in a bleak environment. God has designed the earth and heavens so that they are hospitable to us. Every thing we turn ourselves to has a use for us or teaches us something about God. That is the meaning of that verse.

The quranic God talks to Muslims in this verse. And he said everything, not "every type of everything". So doesnt that suggest that the lands of Europe, America & Japan were given to the service of muslims?

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General Issues / Questions / What is the best commercial Translation of the Quran? :)

« on: December 23, 2003, 10:31:29 AM »

any more suggestions?