Messages

1

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Wondering about the Quran & Jesus' life & teachings

« on: April 14, 2012, 05:49:13 PM »

And their saying is referring to the Jewish tradition and not the Christian tradition. The crucifixion is established by explicit verses in the Gospel which the Koran confirmed. Its the Trinity which is not based on any explicit verses of the Bible which the Koran attacked.

The crucificion is established by explicit verses in the New Testament (NT) of the Christian Bible. My friend, the NT you read today is NOT the Gospel (i.e. Isa's Injeel) that the Qur'an talks about. I think this is the root of your problem which prompted you to ask the question in the first place, how come Jesus' teachings aren't mentioned in the Qur'an. You're looking for fabricated "Jesus' teachings" in the Qur'an as found in the NT and not the REAL Jesus' teachings which may or may not be there since we don't have a copy of the REAL Gospel to compare...

Additionally, although i agree with you that it may be refuting the Jewish tradition, however, at the same time, it's refuting the Christian teachings as well. The Qur'an NEVER confirms the NT idea of Jesus' crucifiction, as you say (please provide me a verse where it does). On the contrary! "Their saying" is referring to EXACTLY that which follows, "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, messenger of God!” And they had not killed him, nor crucified him, but it appeared to them as if they had. And those who dispute are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty."

It is irrelevant whose doctrine this "saying" falls into, be it Jewish or Christian, the point being if the doctrine says Jesus was crucified this verse right here refutes it point blank.

You're reading the Bible and the Talmud like you're reading the Qur'an. It's like reading a semi-fiction and a non-fiction book about one person then asking how come the the non-fiction isn't mentionining that the person had red hair whereas the whole point of the semi-fiction book is that he had red hair. Do you kind of see my point here?

2

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Wondering about the Quran & Jesus' life & teachings

« on: April 14, 2012, 12:17:37 PM »

One of the main difference between a Koranic Islam and a Sectarian Islam is the Koranic Islam does not define itself by a specific prophetic biography. Which is why a Koranist can believe in Jesus's crucifixion and yet does not see any theological basis for it since many prophets did not go through the same process.

No, a Koranist cannot believe in Jesus's crucifixion. The Qur'an is VERY clear about this point in Ch 4:157 which says, 

And their saying: “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of
Mary, messenger of God!” And they had not killed him, nor
crucified him, but it appeared to them as if they had. And those
who dispute are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge
except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.

Just wanted to pont that out in case somebody who isn't very familiar with the Qur'an comes across this post and gets misinformed.

3

General Issues / Questions / Re: Quranist Prayer

« on: April 11, 2012, 05:15:49 PM »

I agree with Jafar.

4

General Issues / Questions / Re: Freemasons?

« on: April 05, 2012, 06:33:39 PM »

The Arrivals is a bunch of bull once you get past the fear of checkered floors, Ancient "Satanic" Egyptians, "Jinn controlling" UFOs, Ladies dressed in red, and of course - the saga of Al-Mahdi, Isa's second coming, Armageddon, and the one eyed potato head (aka Al-Dajjal ).

Freemasons don't worship pagan idols, suns and stars or devils lol. They simply believe in God, have their own commandments, have their own rituals and promote a lot of social good.

LOL!! I agree, i watched the whole thing and decided at the end, "maaaaan this is some BUUUUULLL shiizzz!"... I mean, if Illuminati (or some other REALLY advanced "secret devil worshiping socity") really existed, i highly doubt we'd be watching YouTube videos about it... hence, the name "SECRET society"... we gotta give Devil a little more credit, he's not hat stupid... hahahaa...

Anyways, i was just saying that most people have never heard of freemasons until the Illuminati/Arrivals crap surfaced on the internet (that was the case for me), and that might be the reason why most people dislike them...

5

General Issues / Questions / Re: Freemasons?

« on: April 05, 2012, 04:11:02 PM »

Have you seen "The Arrivals"?? I think it will answer your Q.
Most people who dislike freemasons associate them with the Illuminati and most people think of Devil worshipping when they hear Illuminatti... so when you connect A to B, B to C and C to A, you get a lot of ppl disliking freemasons... )

6

North America / Re: Tampa Florida

« on: April 05, 2012, 04:03:09 PM »

.

7

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Repent to ????

« on: April 05, 2012, 03:24:03 PM »

Selam!!

My understadning of this verse is that God is addressing the polytheists and He's asking them to revert to the straight path, basically. Every person is born muslim, i.e. on the straight path, and as he gets older and makes different life choices, he either remains on the straight path (a muslim) and goes to Heaven or doesn't and goes to Hell. Either way, as this verse indicates, God and His Messenger are innocent of which path a person chooses or polytheists choose, in this case. So to answer your question, i think they're being asked to revert back to the correct way of live (Islam) or, in other words, come back to God and righteousness in order to attain true salvation.

I hope that helps! )

8

General Issues / Questions / Re: Satan

« on: March 28, 2012, 11:19:47 AM »

This is actually the Jewish view of the Shaitan, if memory serves correctly.

In addition, there are some who speculate that perhaps Iblis was serving God by failing to bow to Adam, as bowing to anything less than God would be idolatry in and of itself.

I think there is much wisdom in this story from various angles.

I agree with your last statement!

However, to those who who "speculate that perhaps Iblis was serving God by failing to bow to Adam, as bowing to anything less than God would be idolatry in and of itself", is a very clever analogy but incorrect, in my opinion, because God ordered or asked all the angels to bow to Adam and by refusing God's order Iblis failed to serve Him.

9

General Issues / Questions / Re: Satan

« on: March 27, 2012, 11:04:21 AM »

Hmmm... i like all your thoughts!
But, if Satan knows he's doomed to hell as God pretty much told him BEFORE they made "the deal", why is he not trying to backtrack himself to avoid going to hell? (If) The deal is "you tempt these humans and by the success/failure of your temptation I (God) will know whick of them is pure and which is not, this is how you'll help me, but either way, YOU (Satan) will go to hell eternally." Why would Satan EVER agree to this deal? It's a lose/lose situation for him...

 

10

General Issues / Questions / Satan

« on: March 26, 2012, 05:49:04 PM »

Hello everyone!!

If Satan believes in God, as evidenced by verse 8:48 and 59:16 which shows that he does, why doesn't he stop being evil? I think any sincere person who truly believes in God will at least TRY to be good, why is Satan not even trying? Is he not able to be good? And why doesn't God encourage human/jinns to pray for Satan, b/c it seems of all of us, HE needs the most help.

Any thoughts/interpretations are very much appreciated )