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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« on: May 21, 2016, 08:50:22 PM »
9:36 is stating a simple fact, that the year in God's system is based on the 12 month principal (roughly 360 days).

No,
it does not state 12 shahr is a year- سنة,
it simply states that 12 shahr is the  عدة:

عدة الشهور عند الله اثنا عشر شهرا

سنة is سنة,
عدة is عدة.

Let's stop
mixing them up
and claiming that it is God's ordinance.

Such a year which consists of 12 shahr is null and void,
it is so helpless that it cannot show you the seasons, in other words it has no sense of time.
A year without a sense of time is nothing but a joke.

You cannot make a year out of the shahrs.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« on: May 21, 2016, 04:11:20 AM »
To cut it short
شهر in 9:36 cannot be a lunar month (lasting 29.plus days)
because 13 lunar months make 383.plus days
and it is impossible to place 383.plus days in the عدد.

The شهر is FM or any other moon phase like it
as it is possible to place it 13 times in the عدد.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« on: May 21, 2016, 03:08:23 AM »

crescent moon T-0
crescent moon T-1
crescent moon T-2
crescent moon T-3
crescent moon T-4
crescent moon T-5
crescent moon T-6
crescent moon T-7
crescent moon T-8
crescent moon T-9
crescent moon T-10
crescent moon T-11
crescent moon T-12


It seems like your numbering is off.
Whatever you start out with is T-0 (or T initial).

What does T stand for,
does it stand for Time?

If it stands for the Time of a particular moon phase,
you have to count the appearances of only that particular moon phase
so that your counting will make sense.   

You can choose
the very first phase after the New Moon
or you can choose the full moon.

It makes no difference so far as you stick to the same phase throughout the counting process.

If you are checking to see
how many times the first phase appears right after the NM
between its two consecutive appearances, that is during the time the earth turns around the sun once,
the number will be 12
but not always, sometimes it will be 13.

For example
the first NM after the summer solstice of 2016 is 04 July,
as a result the first waxing crescent is 05 July.

01... 05 July 206
02... 03 Aug
03... 02 Sept
04... 02 Oct
05... 31 Oct
06... 30 Nov
07... 30 Dec
08... 29 Jan 2017
09... 27 Feb
10... 29 March
11... 27 Apr
12... 26 May

Next عدة:

01... 25 June 2017
02... 24 July
03... 22 Aug
04... 21 Sept
05... 20 Oct
06... 19 Nov
07... 19 Dec
08... 18 Jan 2018
09... 17 Feb
10... 18 March
11... 17 Apr
12... 16 May
13... 14 June

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« on: May 20, 2016, 09:50:47 AM »
... Quran tells us that with Allah the number of moths is 12 (9:36) by the ordinance of Allah for which the new moon is the marking of a new month(2:189).

9:36 tells us that the set of full moons is made up of 12 full moons at the least. That means that 11 does not make a set, it has to be 12 at the least. But sometimes the set has an extra full, making the number 13. The proof is for you to count the full moons between the two consecutive appearances ot the first full moon after the summer solstice. 

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2016&country=74

01... 20 July 2016
02... 18 Aug
03... 16 Sept
04...  16 Oct
05... 14 Nov
06... 14 Dec
07... 12 Jan 2017
08... 11 Feb
09... 12 March
10... 11 Apr
11... 11 May
12... 09 June

However,
the previous set had an extra full moon,
so it was made up of 13 full moons:

01... 02 July 2015
02... 31 July
03... 29 Aug
04... 28 Sept
05... 27 Oct
06... 26 Nov
07... 25 Dec
08... 24 Jan 2016
09... 22 Feb
10... 23 March
11... 22 Apr
12... 22 May
13... 20 June

You can place 13 full moons between the two consecutive appearances of a full moon,
but you cannot place 13 lunar months.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Calendar Reform
« on: February 08, 2016, 09:19:19 PM »
Dates of the first full moon (shahru ramadan) after the summer solstice:

2011... 2012…. 2013….. 2014…. 2015…. 2016…
15 July  03 July  23 June 12 July  02 July  20 July

Why does 6 come 19 days LATER than 5?
Because 5 has 13 full moons:

01…02 July 2015
02…31 July
03…29 Aug 
04…28 Sep
05…27 Oct
06…26 Nov
07…25 Dec
08…24 Jan 2016
09…22 Feb
10…23 March
11…22 Apr
12…22 May
13…20 June

Please YOU check to see
why 4 comes
19 days LATER than 3.

This may help you see
why EVERY shahru ramadan of the so-called lunar year comes 11 days earlier
and what is wrong with that .

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Calendar Reform
« on: February 08, 2016, 05:45:51 PM »
Peace wrkmmn.

brook: Sets of shohoor are not solar years.
wrkmmn: Of course not, they are year, which has to be lunar.

No, they are sets.
They are not year.

They are not solar year,
they are not lunisolar year,
they are not lunar year.

They are not ANY year.

They are each a set (AAiddat),
AAiddat alshshuhoor (عِدَّةَ الشُّهُورِ)

If you take AAIDDAT here to mean number,
it is 13 in some years like in 2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74),
and 12 in some others like in 2016 (http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2016&country=74).

This is God's truth, which you can prove for yourself
by simply counting the full moons in 2015 and 2016.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Calendar Reform
« on: February 06, 2016, 09:47:13 PM »
Sets of shohoor are not solar years
but they are in sinch with them and thus help you know the number of years (10:5):

He is the One who made the sun to emit light, and the moon to reflect it, and He measured its phases so that you would know the number of the years and the count...

Take year 2001 as the starting point
and save one gold coin by dropping one in your money box each time you see the ful moon, say, after the summer solstice.
The number of passing years is the number of gold coins you save.

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2001&country=74

1, July 05
2, June 25
3, July 13
4, July 02
5, June 22
...

Please note
that
2 is 11 days earlier than the former,
...
4 is 11 days earlier,
5 is 11 days earlier

but
3 is 19 days LATER than 2
because 2 has 13 shahr:

01: June 25, 2002
02: July 24
03: Aug 23
04: Sept 21
05: Oct 21
06: Nov 20
07: Dec 19
08: Jan 18, 2003
09: Feb 17
10: March 18
11: Apr 16
12: May 16
13: June 14

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Calendar Reform
« on: February 06, 2016, 08:53:04 PM »
IDDAT
= duration
= number
= series

IDDAT ASH-SHOHOOR
= duration of shohoor
= number of shohoor
= series of shohoor

The duration of shohoor is one solar year because it is the moon’s rotating (with the earth) around the sun  which causes the shohoor.
So the moon’s 12 or 13 rotations take the same time as the earth’s one rotation takes around the sun, 365 days. 

The number of shohoor is 12,
which is the minimum because 11 shohoor can not fill in the solar year.
However, there ise a 13th shahr, which God has decided  to appear just as he has decided the sun to come from the east (2:258),
So the 13th shahr is God’s truth, it cannot be denied.

The 13th shahr prevents the shohoor from coming 11 days earlier every (solar) year
and thus fixes them each at a particular time of the solar year and causes them to have the sense of time
such as the seasons.

The series of shohoor is a complete set,
which is made up of 12 or 13 shahr,
like a necklace of 12 or 13 gold pieces.

God forbids you from breaking up the set of shohoor
by postponig the 13th shahr over to the next set of shohoor,
which is called NASY (نَّسِيءُ) in 9:37.

The length of the series of shohoor changes
as it lasts
354 days when it has 12 shahr,
383.5 days when it has 13 shahr.

So
iddat ash-shohoor (series of shohoor)
with its changing length,
is not a year.

Length of a year never changes.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Calendar Reform
« on: February 06, 2016, 06:55:41 PM »
Peace:

I see that many people is just to deep in love with their sun-god to listen.

12 lunar months/full moons/shahars, or wathever you want to call them, are a year.

In 9:36
God is saying "The (iddat) number of shohoor is twelve shahrs"
God is not saying "One year is twelve shahrs."

If he said "One year is twelve shahrs"
he would be unable  to answer this question:

According to that year system you mention, what season was Muhammad born?

Neither would he be able to anwser
this question:

What particular part of the year system is the hunting restriction mentioned in the Quran as follows?

O you who believe, God will test you with some of the game for hunting coming within reach of your hands and your spears... (5:94)
O you who believe, do not kill any game while you are restricted... (5:95)

Remember that God is able to do anything he wants
but still he is unable to answer these questions.

The decrepancy is caused by the lie that in 9:36 God is saying "Twelve shahrs are a year."

No. Twelve shahrs are NOT a year but a series of shohoor, in other words, they are the wholeness of the series.
If you decrease the number to, say, eleven, the wholenes disappears, the concept of time, seasons disappears.   

If you do that, your your sin of rejecting God's order doubles (at-Taubah 37): إِنَّمَا النَّسِيءُ زِيَادَةٌ فِي الْكُفْرِ 
which is the very sin the people have committed in making up the pure lunar year.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Calendar Reform
« on: February 05, 2016, 07:34:42 PM »
Shahr in 9:36
is not a lunar cycle
but a full moon.

The proof is that the number of full moons in one solar year is sometimes 13 like in 2015
Please ref to http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74

If shahr in 9:36 stood for a lunar cycle (which lasts 29.5 days)
13 times 29.5 days would make 384.5 days and that would never fit in the 365-day solar year because 384.5 days are 19 days too many,
but 13 full moons does fit in it because those 19 days are placed in the previous and follwing years.

In 2015
the first full moon is on Jan 5, so 10 days of the first half of the cycle are placed in 2014
the last full moon is on Dec 25, so 9 days of the second half of the cycle are in 2016: 

10 days are in 2014 ......................................... 9 days in 2016
o o o o o  o  o o o o o o o o o ......... o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o

10 + 09 = 19
384 - 19 = 365

The correct translation of
إِنَّ عِدَّةَ الشُّهُورِ عِندَ اللَّهِ اثْنَا عَشَرَ شَهْرًا
can be like this:

Indeed, the number of the full moons with Allah is twelve full moons.

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