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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Need some help understanding...

« on: October 22, 2012, 07:38:12 AM »

007:035
"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from among you, rehearsing My verses (Arabic: ayati) to you, those who are righteous and mend (their lives), on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" here yes
 
guidance from Allah continues 

002:038
“We said: Go down / forth, all of you, from hence; but verily there comes to you from Me a guidance; and whosoever follows My guidance, there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve”
 
020:123
“He said: Go down hence, both of you, one of you an enemy to the other. But when there comes to you from Me a guidance, then whosoever follows My guidance, he will not go astray nor come to grief”
 
 039:071
“And those who disbelieve are driven unto hell in troops till, when they reach it and the gates of them are opened, and the warders of them will say to them: Came there not to you messengers of your own, reciting to you the revelations of your Lord and warning you of the meeting of this your Day? they say: Yes, verily. But the word of doom of disbelievers is fulfilled”
 006:048
“We send the messengers only to give good news and to warn: so those who believe and mend (their lives), upon them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve”

 This can also be noted with respect to Prophet Noah (pbuh) who must have had support as there is a reference to a plurality of messengers.
 
026.105
“The people of Noah rejected the messengers”
 
also:
 
025:037
“And the people of Noah, when they rejected the messengers, We drowned them and We made them as a Sign for mankind and We have prepared for (all) wrong-doers a grievous Penalty”
 
Please also note the plurality in the following verses:
 
026.123
“The Ad (people) rejected the messengers”
 
026.141
“The Thamud (people) rejected the messengers”
 
026.160
“The people of Lut rejected the messengers”
 
026.176
"The Companions of the Wood rejected the messengers"
 
It is clear that there seems to be more than one 'messenger' working in tandem and as an aid to the 'central figure' delivering the message of God to these communities. This is further seen in the plurality of messengers in Surah (Chapter) Yasin when two messengers were sent and were then strengthened with a third (36:14)
 
It appears from these verses that anyone who assists in delivering the message or acts as a henchman along with the appointed messengers, is also referred to as a ‘Messenger’
 
 

This is good explanation with regards to 07:35 & 33:40. and also 10:47 - And for every nation a Messenger.......

 

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER

« on: March 12, 2012, 05:35:41 PM »

You must be out of your mind to write what you have written. I didn't answer the first time out of charity, but you insist. What you write qualifies you, it doesn't qulify anybody else. You were born of a mother, but you speak as if you were born of a pig, and male pig at that, not even a female. God commands us to be conscious of al arham, not to despise them. Look at yourself a little.

That you dare speak with such disdain of a person chosen by God himself as an aya, you must be out of your senses.

And since you dare talk about cleansing, you certainly should clean your mouth and mind, and you should not be in such hurry to write utter nonsense and do at least some thourough searching of the tahhara thing before spewing such idiocies. Just say right away that there has been no prophets or messengers at all and you would have finished the question.

Pray to God that He makes you humble and just, just, just, just, a little tiny bit wee wise, not in hurry, it could break you.

Salaam

18:57 “Who is more sinful than those who are reminded of their Lord’s revelations, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, We place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never be guided”

Huruf & Maha

You can say whatever you like about me, I don't give a damn, AND YOU DUNT HAVE TO REMIND ME WHERE I CAME FROM. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST WOMEN. I HAVE WOMEN IN MY LIFE WHOM I LOVE AND RESPECT. THERE ARE LOTS OF WOMEN IN THIS FORUM AND I RESPECT THEIR VIEWS. As for Huruf & Maha, you are too emotional and

by refusing to accept 03:42 and that

FIRST: The Quran is the word of God.
SECOND: The Quran is perfect with no contradictions.
THIRD: The Quran is comprehensible and with no ambiguity.
FOURTH: That the Quran is straightforward with no crookedness.
FIFTH: The Quran is complete.
SIXTH: The Quran is fully detailed, and it encompasses all matters

you have directly accused ALLAH of contradicting HIMSELF and for those who have EVIL thoughts about ALLAH,

THIS IS WHAT ALLAH SAID


[48:6] And He will requite the hypocrite men and women and the idol worshipping men and women, for they have harbored evil thoughts about GOD. Their evil will backfire against them. For GOD is angry with them, condemns them, and has prepared for them HELL. What a miserable destiny!



Huruf, you and your fancy words full of nonsence and Maha laugh as much as you can - FOR BOTH OF YOU ARE


2:18    DEAF, DUMB, and BLIND, THEY WILL NOT RETURN.


@Nomad

Salam Bro,

16:89    And the Day We send to every nation a witness against them from themselves, and We have brought you as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Book as a clarification for all things, and a guidance and a mercy and good tidings to those who have submitted.

It is for the Quran to explain and not the other way round.

Salam

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER

« on: March 11, 2012, 10:19:33 PM »

I have already given you my proof

Read 03:42

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER

« on: March 10, 2012, 03:34:37 AM »

You are such a sexist. Of course women were also messengers and prophets, no where does the quran say otherwise. Unfurtunately your sexism has no place in the quran.

Salam

Proof to me from The Quranic perspective

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER

« on: March 07, 2012, 07:04:35 PM »

A woman cannot be a messenger or a prophet!
It says clearly that even Mary had to be "CLEANSED" !

EXACTLY

By saying that women were made messenger, directly contradict verse 03:42.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER

« on: March 07, 2012, 04:23:23 PM »

You look at all the ocurrences of the word rajul/rijal in the Qur'an and will see that in some of them it means any person, not a male.

And no, what you say is what you say, not what the Qur'an says. It does not say anywhere that a woman cannot be a prophet. It does not say that a black person cannot be a Prophet nor a Persian or a Egyptian.

It daos not say that only dhakar can be Prophets or that untha can be Prophets or messengers, whatever. God has not made such a law, or if He has made it, He has not told us. Maryam in one aya is named together with other messengers. You are making a law of something which God has not made a law.
And I wonder what is the importance of Prophets being one sex or the other. What does it matter? Is prophethood or messengerhood contagious to only one sex that all of the same sex should get some bonus out of it? Are males getting some kudos if no women are messengers?

Not that I have anything against discussing it, but why is so much weight given to the messengers being males or females? Are the other of the same sex going to get something rubbed on them?

Salaam

FM Translation
3:78    And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.

It is you who say what u say, twisting and turning the words of ALLAH with your tongue, No no, dont do that its not healthy.

FIRST: The Quran is the word of God.
SECOND: The Quran is perfect with no contradictions.
THIRD: The Quran is comprehensible and with no ambiguity.
FOURTH: That the Quran is straightforward with no crookedness.
FIFTH: The Quran is complete.
SIXTH: The Quran is fully detailed, and it encompasses all matters

Since the Quran is everything above, show me from The Quranic perspective that women was amoung the messengers.

Salam

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER

« on: March 06, 2012, 05:06:40 PM »

We are talking about the meaning in the Qur'an. Should it perhaps be forbidden that people use the words as they are used in the Qur'an?

It is now, that by rijal are meant men only, not in the Qur'an.

Salaam

Salam Huruf,

Are you sure? So what did ALLAH call men in the Quran?


" .... nothing has been left out of the book" 6:38

If ALLAH wants to make a woman prophet, HE would definitely have say so in The Quran. In fact, HE did chose a beautiful woman among all women, Mary the mother of Jesus [P].

3:42    And the angels said: "O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over all the women [nisaa] of the worlds."

Was she made a prophet? No. That means no other women after her can ever be made a prophet or a messenger.

Salam

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER

« on: March 06, 2012, 07:01:00 AM »

Salam,

FM Translation,
6:115    And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing of His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

So now after 1400 yrs, the Arabic words Rijal and Nisaa has a different meaning???

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Questions / Comments on previous Scriptures (Torah - Psalms -Injeel) / Re: Quran: Follow the previous scripture?

« on: March 06, 2012, 06:44:37 AM »

It is the standard, but most Muslims are so indoctrinated or not well-educated enough to see where they fit together.

Salam Bro Joel,

Its the other way round,

I have had lots of encounter with christians group and how much I tried to explain from the Bible, they never agreed to the fact that Jesus was only a Messenger Of GOD who was sent to convey the message.

And not only that they started to lambast The Last Prophet of GOD.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: The First Creation

« on: March 04, 2012, 05:23:54 AM »

Salam Pazuzu,

We were spawn but evolution is definitely out.


The Quran confirms that we were all living in God's Kingdom before we were brought into this world. Although this is our first and only life on planet earth yet it is not our first existence. We were put to death and reborn into this life on earth thru the wombs of our mothers.


67:1-2"Most exalted is the One in whose hands is all kingship, and He is Omnipotent. The One who created DEATH and LIFE for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. He is the Almighty, the Forgiving"


Since nothing in the Quran is a coincidence, and since God is the Most precise in expressing and delivering any truth, we cannot overlook the order in which the words "The One who created DEATH and LIFE.....". The placing of the word "death" before the word "life" indicates that we were put to death before we were brought to this life on earth, hence we must have been alive before we came to this world.

Further proof from The Quran:


40:11"They will say, "Our Lord, you have put us to death twice, and You gave us two lives; now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out?"


Sometime, in this previous existence, a feud arose in the Heavenly Society:


38:67-69"Say, "Here is awesome news. That you are totally oblivious to. I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the High Society."


In this feud where Iblis was banished from paradise just after the creation of the first mankind - SPAWN FROM THE EARTH. Subsequently, an incident happend.......


2:38-39"We said, "Go down therefrom, ALL OF YOU. When guidance comes to you from Me, those who follow My guidance will have no fear, nor will they grieve. As for those who disbelieve and reject our revelations, they will be dwellers of Hell, wherein they abide forever."


And ALLAH made a covenant with Adam and ALL of us.......


[2:37] Then, Adam received from his Lord words, whereby He redeemed him. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful.

7:172"Recall that your Lord summoned all the DECENDENTS of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves: "Am I not your LORD?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."

[5:7] Remember GOD's blessing upon you, and His covenant that He covenanted with you: you said, "We hear and we obey." You shall observe GOD; GOD is fully aware of the innermost thoughts.


Consequently, the first death ended our life in the previous life which was in God's Kingdom and not here on Earth.


Salam / Peace