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#2191
Off-Topic / Apps
August 28, 2012, 07:53:01 AM
Salaam,

InshaAllah tonight I will get my first android phone  :D
So I am pretty new in the android appmarket.
Can you please give me names of cool apps and if they are not for free how much they costs, and if you like small review with the pluses and the minuses.

People who have iphone's can also use this thread to exchange cool iphone apps.

Thanks in advance,
Bender
#2192
Quote from: mmkhan on August 23, 2012, 01:37:32 PM
Salaam brother,

20:94 is clear enough to answer your above question, is it talking about two?  :nope: It is only talking about Bani Israel.  :yes
Salaam brother,

yes it's very clear for me  :)
It's indeed talking about Bani Israel and the qawm of Musa is from Bani Israel.
InshaAllah this will make it also clear for you:
2:47 O Children of Israel, remember My blessings that I had blessed you with, and that I had preferred you over all the worlds.
2:48 And beware of a Day when no soul can avail another soul, nor will any intercession be accepted from it, nor will any ransom be taken, nor will they have supporters.
2:49 And We saved you from the people of Pharaoh, they were afflicting you with the worst punishment; they used to slaughter your children, and rape your women. In that was a great test from your Lord.
2:50 And We parted the sea for you, thus We saved you and drowned the people of Pharaoh while you were watching.
2:51 And We appointed a meeting time for Moses of forty nights, but then you took the calf after him while you were wicked.


QuoteSecond meeting?  :hmm Where did you get this? Please let me know.

see above post

QuoteYou got there, if you study aayaats before and after 7:127, you will notice that there were people with Musa who were called Musa's qaum in 7:127. They might be those suhara [as you pointed out], but they were gathered from other places not from Bani Israel. Hence, they are different from Bani Israel.

:nope:
From different places does NOT mean not from Bani Israel, see the verses quoted above.

QuoteIf qaum is group/community what means ummat and shu-'oob and qabaa-il as in 49:13?
as per my current understanding
qaum = group/community/people in general
ummat = community with the same philosophy
shu-'oob = maybe community with boarders, like countries. But still not sure about this.
qabaa-il = maybe community with same race, like black, white, chineese etc. also not sure.

Quoteqaum means people, Musa's qaum means people of Musa, this is how I understand. As you said, a believe is sura 40 used ya-qaumi to his people.
yes ofcourse  :)

QuoteIf Musa's qaum IS Bani Israel, why they were called his qaum sometimes and Bani Israel sometimes? You already know that Allah used the words specifically always.

Lets say, the name of your grand-grand-grand-granddad is Mustafa. Then you go to a people who share the same grand-grand-grand-granddad. You will talk to them with "O my qawm, do not follow sajtaan" not with "O bani Mustafa do not follow sajtaan", because you are directly speaking to them and you are not speaking to all Bani Israel but only a fraction.
But if I later on ask you why did you not stop them. Then you can answer me with "I didn't want a division in Bani Mustafa". It's strange to use then "division in my qawm" as they are not present at the moment and it's for me also not totally clear who you mean with "my qawm".

Hope I made myself clear.

QuoteMay Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
mmKhan

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
Bender
#2193
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Surah 70 Ayah 40
August 28, 2012, 06:09:55 AM
Quote from: Bigmo on August 21, 2012, 06:14:53 PM
Than if that is the case why not "Should I not swear" being the case.
Salaam Bigmo,
Because there is no Alif in the beginning of the "qasam", but a Fa.
QuoteI think you are trying to imply the la here means no. Than you changed it to negative. As I said negative can also be "should I not swear". The problem is the la here does not mean no. Alla is also about emphasis. However you try to word that emphasis is not relevant.
As per my undersatning La means always No/Not

In the verses with "qasam" there is not such a questioning, it's simply "thus no".

I couldn't find a single verse with Fa-La where it was about empasis, so there is for me not a single reason to make an exception for the "Fala uquasimu" verses.

Here are some examples with "fala" where no translator traslate it as an emphasis:
11:109 فَلَا تَكُ فِي مِرْيَةٍ مِّمَّا يَعْبُدُ هَـٰؤُلَاءِ ۚ مَا يَعْبُدُونَ إِلَّا كَمَا يَعْبُدُ آبَاؤُهُم مِّن قَبْلُ ۚ وَإِنَّا لَمُوَفُّوهُمْ نَصِيبَهُمْ غَيْرَ مَنقُوصٍ
9:55 فَلَا تُعْجِبْكَ أَمْوَالُهُمْ وَلَا أَوْلَادُهُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّـهُ لِيُعَذِّبَهُم بِهَا فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَتَزْهَقَ أَنفُسُهُمْ وَهُمْ كَافِرُونَ
14:47 فَلَا تَحْسَبَنَّ اللَّـهَ مُخْلِفَ وَعْدِهِ رُسُلَهُ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ عَزِيزٌ ذُو انتِقَامٍ
There are many many more. So how come in all those verses it's a neg. but ONLY in the qasam verses it's to emphasis?
Please share if you can find 1 verse where Fala means to emphasis.

QuoteSuch as the verse
"أَمْ حَسِبْتُمْ أَن تَدْخُلُوا الْجَنَّةَ وَلَمَّا يَأْتِكُم مَّثَلُ الَّذِينَ خَلَوْا مِن قَبْلِكُم ۖ مَّسَّتْهُمُ الْبَأْسَاءُ وَالضَّرَّاءُ وَزُلْزِلُوا حَتَّىٰ يَقُولَ الرَّسُولُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَعَهُ مَتَىٰ نَصْرُ اللَّهِ ۗ أَلَا إِنَّ نَصْرَ اللَّهِ قَرِيبٌ
(214) Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come) the help of Allah?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!
You can translate is as "is it not the case  that Allah's victory is near" as long as you dont change the meaning. However gramatically its about emphasis and not negative or positive. But with the la uqsim you actually changed the meaning of the text to mean God does not swear rather than God swears.

I didn't change anything. 
And you are talking here about "A-la" not about "Fa-la"
People who translate fa-la without using the "La" are changing the meaning not me  :nope:

RED: There is nowhere in those ayaats "God swears" or "God does not swear"  :nope:


Quoteوَالسَّمَاءِ ذَاتِ الْحُبُكِ
Al Dhariyat (7) By the Sky with (its) numerous Paths,

إِنَّكُمْ لَفِي قَوْلٍ مُّخْتَلِفٍ
(8) Truly ye are in a doctrine discordant,
This is a different subject, but here also I do not agree that it is a swear.

Quoteوَفِي السَّمَاءِ رِزْقُكُمْ وَمَا تُوعَدُونَ
(22) And in heaven is your Sustenance, as (also) that which ye are promised.

فَوَرَبِّ السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِنَّهُ لَحَقٌّ مِّثْلَ مَا أَنَّكُمْ تَنطِقُونَ (23) Then, by the Lord of heaven and earth, this is the very Truth, as much as the fact that ye can speak intelligently to each other.

There are many examples where God swears. The notion that la uqsimu means God does not swear is changing the meaning and does not make Quranic sense or gramatical sense.

As far as I know nowhere in The Quran there is a verse with a swear of Allah.
Allah's Word is already the truth, a swear does not make it more truth.

Red: Even if you take it here as a swear then who do you think is saying this and who is then Lord of heaven and earth?  :hmm

QuoteEven a casual glance at these verses tell us what la uqsimu means

۞ فَلَا أُقْسِمُ بِمَوَاقِعِ النُّجُومِ
Al Waqia'Al (75) Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars,-

وَإِنَّهُ لَقَسَمٌ لَّوْ تَعْلَمُونَ عَظِيمٌ
(76) And that is indeed a mighty adjuration if ye but knew,-

إِنَّهُ لَقُرْآنٌ كَرِيمٌ
(77) That this is indeed a qur?an Most Honourable,

فِي كِتَابٍ مَّكْنُونٍ
(78) In Book well-guarded,

لَّا يَمَسُّهُ إِلَّا الْمُطَهَّرُونَ
(79) Which none shall touch but those who are clean:

تَنزِيلٌ مِّن رَّبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
(80) A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

As I said before, I am at the moment not sure what "uqsimu" means in The Quran. So I don't know how to understand these verses.

But I am sure that it says: "Thus I do NOT uqsimu with..." in 56:75
And I am even more sure that it's not Allah who is saying this, because if it's Allah then who is Rabbi Al3alameen in 56:80?

Quotehttp://www.oneummah.net/quran/

Thank You!!!

Salaam,
Bender
#2194
Quote from: mmkhan on August 23, 2012, 01:37:32 PM
Salaam brother,

Second meeting?  :hmm Where did you get this? Please let me know.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
mmKhan

Salaam brother,

I have now not much time so I will answer today only this question quickly.

I got it from The Quran, from where else do you think ???
If I misunderstood something then please correct me.

7:104 - 112 is first meeting
7:113 and furter is second meeting.

26:18 - 37 first meeting
26:38 and further second meeting

between ayaat 7:112 & 7:113 and 26:18 & 38 there is a signifant time period.

how much time was between those 2 meetings?
20:58-59 and 26:36 and 7:111 will give you inshaAllah an indication about the time period between thos 2 meetings.

And I am not talking about Musa youth, only after he was sent.

The other questions next time inshaAllah.

Salaam,
Bender

#2195
Quote from: scaredmuslimah on August 20, 2012, 04:36:58 PM
Peace everyone,

I have seen this discussed numerous times on the board, which is why I am not asking a question, but making a statement.  After reading and studying, comparing and pondering, I am happy to say that I believe that we are to make 3 prayers daily.  The two ends of the day are mentioned, so when I read wusta/middle/central, it stands out as more of a time/placement to me.  Thanks to those of you who provided links on the "wusta" issue.

Although I haven't asked a question, this is very open to discussion.  I didn't want to re-open any old threads on this issue, as some have been abandoned for a while.
Salaam,

Never say "I am sticking with it".

First I was sure it were 5, then I was sure it were 3, now I am sure it's 2  ;)
Maybe tomorrow I will be sure that it's 4 or again 5.
Just keep on studying and correcting yourself then inshaAllah it doesn't matter how many times.

Salaam,
Bender
#2196
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Surah 70 Ayah 40
August 21, 2012, 04:42:36 PM
Salaam again Bigmo,

May I ask from where you did quote those ayaats?
Can you please give me a link.

Thank you,
Bender
#2197
Quote from: Haniefa on August 21, 2012, 04:24:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrENf_LJBSI&feature=related


Salaam,
I would like to read your opinion on this :D

Salaam,

Interesting, but I can't say anything right now as I never studied this in dept :-[

Salaam,
Bender
#2198
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Surah 70 Ayah 40
August 21, 2012, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: Bigmo on August 21, 2012, 05:12:56 AM

وَلَا أُقْسِمُ بِالنَّفْسِ اللَّوَّامَةِ

qiyamah  (2) And I do call to witness the self-reproaching spirit: (Eschew Evil).

لَا أُقْسِمُ بِهَٰذَا الْبَلَدِ

Al Balad (1) I do call to witness this City;-

Salaam Bigmo,

These 2 ayaat are the same as 70:40, thus not something we want to compare with, as I will again say that here also the LA is a neg.


Quoteأَلَا إِنَّ أَوْلِيَاءَ اللَّهِ لَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُو
Younis (62) Behold! verily on the friends of Allah there is no fear, nor shall they grieve

Thank you, I was searching for examples like this.
As per my current understanding the Alif in the beginning is for interrogative sentences ( I hope this is the correct term).

So as per my current understanding it has to be read like this:
10:62 Is it NOT for sure that on the allies of God there is no fear over them nor will they grieve?
Not the best translation but I hope you understand what I mean.

Quoteوَلَا يَأْتَلِ أُولُو الْفَضْلِ مِنكُمْ وَالسَّعَةِ أَن يُؤْتُوا أُولِي الْقُرْبَىٰ وَالْمَسَاكِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَلْيَعْفُوا وَلْيَصْفَحُوا ۗ أَلَا تُحِبُّونَ أَن يَغْفِرَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

Al noor (22) Let not those among you who are endued with grace and amplitude of means resolve by oath against helping their kinsmen, those in want, and those who have left their homes in Allah?s cause: let them forgive and overlook, do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

I guess you are reffering to the red part. But here the translator already made it a interrogative sentence.
As per my understanding how the translator translated this part is correct. he had to do the same with 10:62

Salaam,
Bender
#2199
Quote from: mmkhan on August 20, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
Salaam brother,

Thank you for your insight, my answer to your above post is, may be both Bani Israel and Musa'a Qaum were together along with Musa, now how gonna answer the aayat I have quoted. Please explain how you understand it.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path  :pr
mmKhan

Salaam bro,

RED: You think that Haroen was worried about division in A because B went astray :hmm

BLUE: 7:127 happened after the second meeting with Firaun. There were already a couple of people who switched sides. At this moment there were at least 5 people with Musa: Haroen, at least 3 suhara, and the one who had kept his believe secret (see chapter 40). The prominent people from the qawm of Firaun were referring to this group as they were afraid of their posititions as they saw that Musa's qawm is growing.

I am not sure how you undersand the word QAWM.
But qawm is per my understanding: group/community
There can be X different communities, some are distinct from others, some communities share some things with other communities, some communities are a subset of 1 or more communities etc. BUT the people in all those X communities can share 1 ancestor.

Salaam,
Bender
#2200
Quote from: 357 on August 19, 2012, 08:39:48 AM
where does it say they are dead?   :!

Salaam,

That's why asked first for agreement.
Maybe he believes that when they were drowned they mutated into fishes and lived happy ever after.
Then we first had to solve this issue before we could continue our discussion.

QuoteRealy sure, bender?

:peace:

That's why I didn't say 100%

Salaam,
Bender