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General Issues / Questions / Nadeem and Arnold: what is muslim
« on: November 04, 2006, 08:48:01 AM »
Hi Arnold,

So let's say, a person follows the fundamentals of the divine commandments, and is humble, honest and helping etc. However, he does not label nor recognize these three to be divine, but he calls them secular. Is he a muslim?

Nadeem

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Hi there,

Rafiqul-Haqq and Newton demonstrate in their foundational essay that the readings given below are errors in the Quranic Arabic grammar, and provide corrected readings based upon accepted rules of Classical Arabic grammar6:

In 2:177, there are actually FIVE grammatical errors:
'aaman should read tu'minuu
'aata shoud be tu'tuu
'aqaama should be tuqimuu
'aata shoud be tu'tuu
saabiriina should be saabiruuna

The yakuun in 3:59 should read kana
The muqiimiin in 4:162 should read muqiimuun
The Saabi'uuna in 5:69 should read Saabi'iina
The qaribun in 7:56 should read qaribah
The asbatan in 7:160 should read sebtan
The 'asarru in 21:3 should read 'asarra
The 'ikhtasamuu in 22:19 should read 'ikhtasamaa
The ta'e'een in 41:11 should read be ta'e'atain
The 'eq-tatalu in 49:9 should read 'eqtatalata
The 'akun in 63:10 should read 'akuuna
The ma in 91:5 should read man
The haazaani in 20:63 should read haazayn

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/purearabic.html

I'm a student of the Quran and it's arabic, and if someone could either confirm or refute the grammatical arguments for me with indepth explanations, I'd be most grateful.

I'd like this to be a thread about the grammar of the quran, and do not wish to go into the relation between the quran being grammatically correct and that being proof of it divine origins.

Nadeem

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General Issues / Questions / A topic for those who study Classical Arabic
« on: September 29, 2006, 04:45:13 AM »
Hi there,

I'm studyig Classical Arabic, and I'm opening this thread to ask about help in various aspects of the Classical Arabic language.

The book I'm using,the one recommended by Brother Wakas, is called "Arabic through the quran" by Alan Jones. If someone has a copy of it, or has the knowledge it shares, I humbly ask for your assistance and help learning this language.

First out, is declension, inflection and cases in the Classical Arabic. I don't get it.

I generally don't get it, but to be precise, I don't understand this on page 23, under Declension of Nouns:Type One -> "Partially Inflected" - using the word Makkata as example.

"The crucial difference between the fully and partially inflected form here (and in type 2) is in the genitive. This can be clearly seen when an adjective is added, al-mukarramatum, commonly used to describe Mecca in later times. The adjective has to have the definite article because makkatu, as a proper noun, is definite."

I don't see any difference in the genitive. All forms (nominative, genitive, accusative) have the definite article Lam wowelled by either O, A and A, respectively.

What's the difference?

Links and reading material is highly appreciated, as are examples. :-)

There is more which I don't understand, but I'll spare that for next time.

Nadeem

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Hi there,

20:120
But the devil whispered to him, he said: "O Adam, shall I lead you to the tree of immortality and a kingdom which will not waste away?"


How come satan is tempting Adam with immortality? Doesn't the atmosphere in paradise automatically make you immortal?

And why is satan tempting Adam with a kingdom, when he and his wife were the only ones in paradise? Whom would he rule over? What was left to rule over? Hadn't the angels submitted to him?

Satan tempting adam with immortality and a kingdom, is like someone tempting eskimos with icecubes.

What's going on?

Was Adam simply stupid, or have we misunderstood this example?

Nadeem


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Projects / Conferences / Events / Search Engine for "Project Root List"
« on: August 13, 2006, 01:10:39 PM »
Hi students of the quran,

I've been working on a search engine script for "Project Root List". The list can be found here:
http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

After receiving suggestions from Wakas, I believe that this scripts is usable. You can access it here:
http://nadeem.reflekterselv.com/rootsearch.php

I expect to add more features as my knowledge of php-programming grows. At first simple functions like the possibility for the user to add relevant discussions or article links to each root. And soon enough god-willing, a user-portal in which everyone can take personal notes on each root, and chose to share them if they wish.

Hope that this is useful.

Suggestions are appreciated.

Other tips:

For those you using Avant browser, here is how you can access this search engine in the sameway you access google from your addressbar e.g "g keyword" and enter.

Click on "tools" at the top-right. Then "awant browser options" or something like that above the last option.
Then look at the left, look for "search engine". Click it. you'll se a list of all your short cuts. Then click "Add".
Then write prl-w and hit enter. The field to right should now be writeable. Copy and paste this into it:
http://nadeem.reflekterselv.com/rootsearch.php?words=%s

And hit enter. Once again, click add. Then write prl-r and hit enter. Then paste this into the other field:
http://nadeem.reflekterselv.com/rootsearch.php?roots=%s

Then click "o.k".

When you want to use the search-word function, type "prl-w your-keyword-here" in your adressbar and hit enter.
When you want to use the search-root function, type "prl-r your-root-here" in your adressbar and hit enter.

Those using opera 9.0:
tools -> option -> search -> add -> show details -> copy to:
Name = PRL
Key = prl-w
adress = http://nadeem.reflekterselv.com/rootsearch.php?words=%s
-> ok.

Then add -> show details -> copy to:
Name = PRL2
Key = prl-r
Adress = http://nadeem.reflekterselv.com/rootsearch.php?roots=%s
-> ok -> ok.

When you want to use the search-word function, type "prl-w your-keyword-here" in your adressbar and hit enter.
When you want to use the search-root function, type "prl-r your-root-here" in your adressbar and hit enter.

Nadeem

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: 54:1
« on: August 09, 2006, 07:14:56 PM »
Hi brothers,

Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understad. What's the proper translation?

Does the quran confirm that muhammed split the moon as the hadiths say?  ???

Nadeem

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Hi there,

I thought I'd share this article with you, that I wrote under tenth grade exams.


Oppressions of religion
Caution: The quotations in this article are to be regarded as paraphrased, due to certain foolish restrictions on noting. Hence, the quotations are recited from memory.

Introduction

Most people believe that their religion holds the answers to questions such as “Who am I? “, “Why am I here?”, “What’s the truth?” etc.  In the sanctuary of these answers they find the much needed comfort of certainty.  You feel that you’re on top of everything and that you have secured your future. The need to feel secure is something everyone would like, even I. It is the very sensation of safety that enables us to “be free”. For example, I wouldn’t ride the rollercoaster unless I was perfectly sure that it was safe. Since I am sure, I have the freedom to ride it.

What many people do not realize, is the difference between “feeling free” and “being free”, “feeling oppressed”, and “being oppressed”. This ignorance makes them targets and victims of “religious oppression”. In other words “brainwash”. What religion does is to offer a fake sense of security, giving the victim freedom it really doesn’t have. Allowing people to do things they should not do.  This quote from Blaise Pascal should explain what I’m trying to say:

“Never does one completely and cheerfully become so evil, other than when you’re under religious conviction.”

Since I know most about the Muslim communities, I’ll use them as an example. The word “Muslim” will be used in this article to describe the people who fit the qualities attributed to them in the sentences. Therefore I’m not referring to all Muslims, but those who fit my comments.

Blindly following authority

The significance of an authority figure is important in any system, but the need to criticize the ones who take this role even greater.  If people won’t keep an eye on their government, there would be tyranny. This is exactly what has been happening in religious communities. The scholars make the law, no one can dispute or criticize, and most important: No one can contradict. And if you do criticize and contradict, expect to be punished. The worst part however, is that the followers of that religion condone and accept this power. This is especially true when coming to Muslims. While many of the modern Muslims are more immune to the priesthood of their Muslim communities, there are still many Muslims that follow the orders of their scholars blindly. This is quite dangerous indeed and one should know that from the many “events” recently.

The reason why religious scholars have gained so much power is that they offer their followers a sense of security. Promises such as the famous “72 virgins in heaven for every suicide bomber” makes the bomber feel that suicide is just as safe as I believe rollercoaster rides are. But offering security is not the only trick these scholars have up their sleeves. They have gone so far that they will even take responsibility for your sins. They say “If you do as we say, we’ll take responsibility for your actions”.

Who can resist safety and exoneration from ones responsibilities? It’s the ultimate freedom!
And if that’s not enough, they’ll add that all of this is the true path of God. You may not believe that what I’m saying is true, or even imagine that anyone can be so ignorant, but if you take into consideration that they have been living under this false sense of security since they were born, things might become clearer.

You should now know why people do silly things because of religion. These people believe that by for example blowing themselves up, they have secured a place in heaven. They believe that they have secured eternal freedom.

And this is religious oppression. You believe that you’re on the right track, you believe that you’re secure, you believe that your free and if you err doing what your told to do, others will take the blame. What a profound delusion. These people are heavily oppressed, and their helpless because they don’t even know it. They’re slaves doing exactly what they’re told and they’re happy with it. They’re so brainwashed that the only thing they can think of is “If I do as I’m told, I’ll go to heaven. If not, then I’ll end up in hell”.

This is no secret, but it almost seems as a “taboo”, no one wants to either admit or accuse, making it even harder to save people from this oppression in disguise. Among the ones who tried to rescue people from the mental oppression of religious authorities were the prophets and philosophers. They were not afraid to rub the truth into people’s faces. We have Socrates, Moses, Galileo, Jesus, Osho, Muhammad etc. All of which where persecuted, harassed and some were killed by the very people they were trying to set free.

Why did people reject these men?
It was because these prophets and philosophers threatened the fundament of their security. They threatened the ones who promised them eternal freedom.

Other kinds of religious oppression

Until now, I’ve talked about very extreme cases of religious oppression. But there are in fact other kinds of religious oppression. We have for example food restrictions which the Muslims have on eating pig. Why don’t they eat pig? The only reason they have, is that they were told not to do so. That’s the only reason most of them have. They’re brainwashed. How do I know? I’m also brainwashed. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to eat pig. I admit that I have an irrational pig-meat eating phobia.

“Irrational” is the key word here. You cannot escape all religious brainwash by logic, some places you have to trust yourself. This is the single hardest task: Trust yourself. That’s actually what real freedom is all about: trusting yourself enough to believe in your own choices. If you cannot trust yourself, then whatever freedom you may believe you have is in fact oppression.

This task is easier said than done. Living in a religious community you’ve been taught that the scholars are the only ones with brains. You don’t get to make your own choices and must accept the holy verdicts of the scholars. And after sometime, you get used to people thinking for you, and accept that thinking for yourself is egoistic and even blasphemous. In change for your brain, you get the fake sense of security and eternal freedom. 

Are these people necessarily religious?

It’s obvious for me that these people do not really know the scriptures they claim to uphold. The Muslims say that they uphold the Quran, yet they don’t know that Quran forbids such religious oppression.

We read in the Quran chapter 7 verse 28:
“They commit a gross sin and say “We saw our forefathers do this and god told us to”. Nay! Are your saying about god what you don’t know?”


We read in the Quran chapter 39 verse 18:
“They are the ones who examine all the words and then chose the best of it. These are the guided ones”


Here we see that a person is responsible for building his own faith and that blindly following your family or deluding yourself to believe that you know god, is forbidden. You are to think for yourself. This is how you’ll get true freedom.

Religious oppression limited to religion only?
 
No. This kind of oppression is found in nearly every system where people follow authority blindly. Take for example the school system. Are the students allowed to criticize the teachers? Are the students allowed to criticize the books? Are the students even allowed to choose what they want to learn? No, no and no!

Students sit there and swallow whatever the teachers tell them, unless it’s highly contradictory to what they have been taught previously. Why do the students endure this? Can you guess?

It is because they’re offered the same comforting security of a free life. They’re guaranteed good education, a good job, basically a good future. All they have to do is what the teachers tell them. Does this ring a bell?

Conclusion

We have now exposed how religion promises freedom but delivers oppression. We have learned how people will do almost anything in order to get freedom. We have also learned that if you want to be free from oppression you have to start trusting yourself and make your own decisions. We are also aware the fact that this kind of oppression is not limited to religion, but is a part of every system where people blindly follow authority.

My hope is that my readers realise that they should be cautious to freedom promises. The best way to achieve freedom is to fulfil your responsibilities. You’ll find that being able to do the things that make your life meaningful is a great freedom in itself.

Thanks 


Some paragraphs were poorly formulated and insufficiently explained, this was because of the rush of exams. I hope the readers will go softly on those paragraphs.

Nadeem

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General Issues / Questions / The truth is important, but...
« on: August 08, 2006, 01:18:20 PM »
..truthful living is more important - Guru Nanak.

Peace brothers,

There are a lot of brothers and sisters here, from all faiths, with a lot of knowledge and insight. I'm amazed everyday with their knowledge. And we have brothers and sisters with an unbelieveable hunger for the truth.

But, this pursuit to advance into the more complex subjects, is futile if we under our journey forget the basics.

We discuss about salat, jinn, calendar, science, angels, shaytan, etc. with almost superhuman knowledge, atleast it seems superhuman to me as newbie. But under these very discussions we forget the very basics such as "Debate in the nicest way". I'm also guilty of this.

What use has our firm knowledge of the advanced, if our practice of the basics is so inconsistent?

Not meant as criticism or rant.

Nadeem

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Hi there,

I've written a little script that I hope will ease the study of different concepts in the quran.

Let's say you're studying salat, and you've come to a definition of it for example "commitment", you would want to check all the verses containing salat and insert your definition in the verse and check if the verse makes sense.

well, in that case, this is what you do:

http://nadeem.reflekterselv.com/pm/?subject=THESUBJECTHERE&definition=YOURDEFINITIONHERE

You change THESUBJECTHERE with your subject, which in this case is salat, and YOURDEFINITONHERE with your interpretation of salat, which in this case is commitment. So you get:

http://nadeem.reflekterselv.com/pm/?subject=Salat&definition=commitment

Currently, the only two available subjects are Jinn and Salat. If you want another subject, tell me and i'll add the verses.

The base translation is free-minds "The Message". If requested, I'll try to add more translation so people can chose which one they want to insert their interpretation into.

The script simple and does not work on all the verses. It simply replaces "Oath of allegiance" in case of salat, and Jinn in case of Jinn with your understanding. If the translation has translated salat as something else then "Oath of allegiance" then it won't insert your meaning.

The list of verses is also provided from the "The message" index.

I hope this is of use.

Nadeem


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Questions/Comments on the Quran / 5:72-73
« on: August 06, 2006, 08:30:45 AM »
Peace everyone!

I ask for help on understanding these verses.

5:72
Rejecters indeed are those who have said: "God is the Messiah son of Mary!" And the Messiah said: "O Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets-up partners with God, then God will forbid Paradise for him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters."

5:73
Rejecters indeed are those who have said: "God is a trinity!" There is no god but One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution.


What does these verses mean?

Are they labeling everyone who says "God is a trinity" or "God is the Messiah son of Mary!" as disbelievers?

Does that mean that my friend who is a devoted christian, yet the most caring person I've met and probably a better person than myself, a disbeliever?

39:7
If you disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone. But He dislikes to see His servants make the wrong decision. If you decide to be appreciative, He is pleased for you. No soul bears the sins of any other soul. Ultimately, to your Lord is your return, then He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of the innermost thoughts.

16:25
They will be held responsible for their sins on the Day of Resurrection, all of them, in addition to sins of all those whom they misled by their ignorance. What a miserable load!


Either 39:7 and 16:25 are contradicting, or they are explaining eachother. I believe the latter.

I wan't to know: Is the one who is mislead by other to commit acts of disbelief, a disbeliever himself? Is he eligible to admission in 'hell' according to the quran?

Considering the above, I'd say no.

This is why: 37:9 clearly says that _No One_ will bear the sins of another. Yet 16:25 says that those mislead others, will bear the sins of those whom they mislead. This can only mean that the persons who were mislead, are not responsible for their sins and their sins are not upon their souls. Rather, their sins and actions are the responsibility of those who brainwashed them.

This means that 57:2-3 is not referring to those person who have simply upheld the notion of trinity, but those who mislead into believing this. This raises the issue from condemning "religious belief" to condemning "willful and intentional deception".

Something about 5:73 that might confirm this, but i'm unsure.
If we reread 5:73, it says:
5:73
Rejecters indeed are those who have said: "God is a trinity!" There is no god but One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution.


Why is god saying "Those who reject from among them" (who says "God is a trinity")?
Implying that there is those who reject, and those who do not, among them.

If everyone who says "God is a trinity" is a rejecter, why doesn't god say "These who reject will be afflicted"?

I hope you see the difference.

However, I do believe that once a person is shown that the trinity is falsehood and recognizes it as falsehood, yet still submit to it. Then he is a disbeliever. Not because he believes in the trinity, but because by believing in what he knows to be false, he is intentionally enforcing a deception and covering the truth. This again raises the issue far above a simple religious belief, to intentionally misleading others.

God knows what sins people have done believing that Jesus was god.

Note: this is not an attempt to defend christians. I believe they have brains, and will be asked if they used them or not. This is but a sincere attemt to understand the true meaning of the term "kafir".

Nadeem

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